Seems to me most old harley guys don't like them, why is that? How many have actually ridden one? Is it cause they are scared of something different and new? I know the just don't sound like a real harley, but with the right pipes they sound pretty good. I just road a cvo deuce and a vegas with a big bore and I hate to say it but the vegas felt more harley like than the deuce. The vegas had way more power and sounded great, the deuce still has stock pipes which really are restrictive but the guy is going to leave them on. I couldn't believe how similiar they felt, handling wise they felt identical. My v-rod is soo much lighter and faster than either one though. I also am getting real tired of the gas tank under the seat, but really would miss the power. I know most guys are'nt that concered with hp, but I am. My dealer has a electra glide with a 103 and a 6 speed that I hope to ride someday (its the owners bike) cause I think it is just what I am looking for. Anybody ridden something similiar? Well enuff rambling, any opinion on all this is appreciated. 