Did they set up the heads for the .650 lift?
Geometry matters with this much lift

 

gear drive?

 

Yes Bob gave me the numbers he wanted the stem seal height set at, I provided them with piston info so my final compression was 10:5 and no not gear drive. Bob recommended and sold me the new harely hydraulic cam plate ( not the screaming eagle one, the stock style) and upgraded harley oil pump.

 

Check everything and verify with Branch the protrusion and spring pressures used. How was the protrusion accomplished? longer valves?head top cut?both?
Roller rockers may be hitting on either side, center the boxes and rocker supports. Then check for retainer to box clearance. If that is fine and nothing changes be sure your pushrods are not hitting in the tubes. OK and all is good, play with different lifter preloads.
Still issues?
Call Dan Baisley and get corrected rockers
side note
Consider piston slap presents similarly to valve noise.

 

Good suggestions for noise abatement.
For starters though, drain your oil then run a a good 50 wt. in it for a week or two.
Tell us if your noise level drops or goes away.

 

I run Branch #4 heads,and had a similar noise in mine,ended up being the pushrods hitting the tubes,and the fact that a local Indy shop sold me a set of S&S roller rockers and installed a set of CHEAP knockoff's instead.I didn't even get a kiss.lol
I put in a set of tapered push rods and a different set of rockers.
Now my bike is quiet and the shop that pulled the switcheroo is less one more customer.
I am betting the push rods are rubbing on yours as well..
Good luck.

 

HQ575 and Wood 408????

 

I realize we are running different cams, but that noise he is describing sounds just like mine did,(The little man with a hammer)

It was very obnoxious to say the least..

 

I will check all above. I did send in Bob's springs and all cam spec's along with the height that he wanted the stem seal height cut at. I also had Gary Williams ( who also makes the rocker support plates for Bob) bore out and teflon coat my pushrod tubes, and as prev mentioned using the rocker arm supports that Gary makes that move the pushrods inward .30 to correct this issue. I was running 50wt harley oil. Gary told me to get this out and go to Amsoil 15-50 dominator race oil ( no other amsoil product just the dominator oil). I did and it's better but still very loud. Like I said at 70mph on highway, Its as loud as my stereo and all other road noise. I think this is more than the normal Bob Woods cam noise. I did have these Branch heads on my 95in motor with the Branch cams and had a little noise but nothing like this. And yes the heads were sent back to Branch and re-done for this build.

 

Also have his new directional lifters, s&s roller rockers, and the red billet rocker arm support plates that gary williams makes for bob that move the pushrods inward to keep the pushrods from hittin the tubes and correct the geometry and a 55mm HPI throttlebody. .

How exactly does a rocker support plate change the pushrod geometry without moving the roller off the optimum position on the vavle tip? I would think the rocker arm would need to be redesigned? Am I missing something?

 

Go to Bob Woods web site and look for the rocker arm support plates. It shows them and tells better than I do what they do. I talked to Bob and Gary Williams both and they talk circles around me. If I could answer this question then I could fix my own problem. I'm lost as hell here. Love my power, but hate the noise.

 

Fair enough Tom. Always a lot to absorb. Thats why I always have to read things over and over to make sure it sinks in.

As for the noise, I ran a his TW6Hg and man that thing was noisy. Now we'll see how the 9B is. Hopefully I've covered everthing needed to keep it as quiet as it can be, ie; baisely corrected geometry rockers, shimming the rockers, clearancing all the areas in the rocker covers, etc.

One thing about his cams, they work well for power and torque.

 

That is a very aggressive ramped cam you are running , you have to expect more noise than stock, noise is a relative thing, what is unbearable to some is not noticed by others. Hey Durwood, is that little man with the hammer any relation to the little man in the boat.

 

Could be,because both can drive a man nuts:redrolf:

 

I went down this road last year with a TR662 conversion cam same noise spent $$ and time chasing it only had a 55n cam to swap it with and of course it was quiet. So I go back to my gear drive cams rs657 r&r615, crane 296, woods 408 i get some what more of commond noise out of these with the woods of course sounding like a baseball card in the bicicle spokes. I mentioned an idea to a few men "who know" but they offered no reply just the usual check this this and that no my stuff isn't noisey,my idea is the front cam is out there by itself were talking chain drive here the rear is held stable by two chain's so it is not as prone to counter rock as the the lifter pressure effects each ramp, that make sense, were as the front I wonder will it deflect as each lobe passes a lifter it would only take a very small amount of chain slack to produce a good tank tank tank noise your describing mine did, and it was 80 persent front cyl exhaust and a little from the rear ex I think the hydralic tensioner is going to bleed down some especailly with high lift and 180lbs springs . just my thoughts on a high lift hydr chain drive who knows but I did stay at a holiday in express once I think. And NOW that 662 cam is now offered back in gear drive agian and it's seller said his was quiet in his personal bike says I must be over looking something come to find out he has a gear drive in his *#!% never a dull moment

 

Yes I feel the pain of speed. Like I said it runs great but that TANK,TANK,TANK is getting a little old. To the point of not being comfortable in riding it 400 miles from home. As I mentioned I have talked to Gary Williams in Pearl Mississippi who started as a carb man but now is doing allot of harley parts and building a ton of 117's that he says you can ride across country with no problems. He said it should not be that loud. Guess I'm in for a 3 hour trailer trip to drop it of and 3 hours home and then all over again to pick it up to see what he can do with it. No shop in town can work on this.
Just thought I will see if anyone could help before making this trip.

 

Please let us know what happens
Gary is one sharp dude.

 

didn't read all threads so this might have already been said. Check the rocker covers around the springs.If you have larger springs they usualy need to be ground for clearance.I ground mine thought I had plenty of clearance.When I pulled them off for some other stuff I found that they where still hitting on 3 of them only slightly ,but enough to make noise.

 

Thanks for the info. the front cam thing you talk about makes sense. I will ask those that are more able then I. IF this can fix it I will go gear drive. If that will take half of the noise away I will be pleased, and can live with that. It's just when it sounds like it's ready to come apart makes me uncomfortable to say the least. If this is the fix it's going with billet cam plate and gear drives. I guess Gary Williams will know. Again thanks to all.

 

Wait till you buy a new harley and makes all the same noises and comes for the factory. This what drives you nuts because they tell this is normal.

 

Tom Arnold
How did you make out with your persuit?

 

Before you go chasing this issue , i would just throw a set of other cams in like ss 625 or something cheep if its quite you have answer , i had woods tw8g did every thing tried every lifter, did every shim , tried diff. spring rates no help , fast closing exhaust ramp speed is the issue, there are other cams that do have power and are not as loud, Tman has a bunch, i am not bashing woods because i still feel his cams hit the hardest , and i loved the TW8G , the TW9b seems to be quite enough for me , in my 116" but just save time anb money test another cam if its quite and has same or close to same lift and TDC lift you have your answer.

 

I have the woods 408-6 cam in my 117 and it is very loud. There is nothing u can do to quiet it down. Do like others said change cams to a diff brand is about the only thing I know of.

 

I have the same cams and 117" motor with big heavy valves and 188# valvesprings and the only time I hear anything more than a slight tick is on the hottest of days in traffic. Very quiet overall

 

you are just lucky....... or def....lol they are louder than the fat cat.

 

I bought a 2008 FLHTCU that the previous owner had built. He had the TW8G cams installed along with going to 103. I have been riding since 1968. Many different Harleys through the years. Even worked for a couple dealerships and had my own shop for a bit. Did nothing but speed work on shovels and evos. This is the noisiest cam set I have ever endured. I even called Bob Wood, and he just said check the pinion runout. What? I like the idea of swapping cams and seeing what I can come up with. I do not trust this engine for a long trip or even a 500 mile ride. It is back at the dealership at this time and I want them to make it right. I talked with the salesman today and he is going to get on it Monday. If they can't fix it I will be getting a different bike. Too bad I really like the looks of this machine but cannot stand the noise!

 

I ran the woods 8 in my own bike couldn't stand the noise, swapped out to the very similar Tman 590 silent ramp design cam, lost a little peak power but have better roll on power and a small amount of valve train noise.

 

I finally have my woods 408-6 cams running pretty quiet. After putting woods lifters in, that cut the noise in half almost. Then, I put my TP rocker boxes and Jims roller rockers on. Noise reduced half again. Finally, I recently installed a Feuling race pump and plate, it sounds great! Woods lifters rattle a bit when cold, after a few miles, they do the job.

 

Pssst, your tank badges fell off.:whisper:




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This is about the time when someone might be interjecting with the intricacies of rocker arm geometry.

 

Was running a Leineweber TS7G cam in my 117 and it was loud. Swapped it out to a S&S easy start 585 and the problem is solved. No more noise and way easier to start.

 

i had these cam chain tensioners installed with my TW222 cams

http://www.axtellsales.com/Zippers-Cam-Chain-Adjusters.html