Makes me glad I own the last of the decent Harleys that were made. :laugh: :laugh: :corn:

 

Shameful, Really.

 

We have a 08 dyna wide glide here with 58 miles on it. We are building a 107 for the customer with timken conversion and crank work. We pulled it down today the oil pump is scuffed fairly bad and the crank had .0055 thou runout. I cannot think what this pump would have looked like in a few thousand miles.

Now we just did a 107 on a 02 dyna and we swapped in a stroker crank. We checked the runout on a crank that has 88813 for miles. Runout was .001 even!!!

I'm fairly sure if that was my motor, I would have thrown up... LOL!
Man, what's in store for the '07's and 08's a few years from now?? I'm sick and I don't even own one...

 

Wrench,
Good to see the 08's are much improved over the 07's :nope:
58 miles, I suppose the dealer response was blatant rider abuse.

thatoldbike,
yep, had an 02 also, like a f*@#ing idiot I sold it to buy an 07...... ~!Awesome!

 

Simple, if my crank in my 07 pukes, it will be the LAST Harley I
will ever own -2$en#e-

Did AMF repurchase the Motor Company or are they just plain stupid#Spankme@

 

58 Miles - thats a dam shame, the moco is going to have to do something (this is a major problem). It has been stated that if you brake hard for an emergency and lockup the rear wheel before ingaging the clutch you could spin the crank. I love my harley but if i was to buy a second bike i would have to think long and hard ( i hate to say it) before i would buy another one.




Ride Safe

 

Steve, what crank ya going with, can ya give me in simple terms what the fix is for these cranks.

 

If it was left alone it would have probably made it fine out of warrenty period. just had a little more oil in the crancase and a little less pressure than some. Not saying this is right, it sucks. Why do we have to take a new bike and repair it to make it right?
So what will you do to the crank? Some say the cast wheels are a detriment??

 

Steve, what crank ya going with, can ya give me in simple terms what the fix is for these cranks.

Easy fix. Tie a rope through the rod piston pin journal, and tie the other end to your boat. Fixed. You now have a perfect anchor!

 

Build

Hd-Wrench,
I would like to ask you about a build but your e-mail dosen't seem to work. Do I need to call or what?

 

is that 55 tens of thousandths or 55 thousents.. lot of differance my 07 was .002 and that was at the end of shaft.. but its a cvo which has heavy duty bearings also . i feel that is good for many thousands of miles. unless i drop it in low at 75 or let some person put it on a dyno and hit the brake hard. or do nothing but pound the **** out of it and i don't care if its pegged welded or has a camplate, it will puke. i do admit the bearings are leaving a lot to be desired but i do think if ridden halfway sane these things just may last longer than most would put on in ten years. just my 02c is all.
Happy

 

WTF! Is china making cranks for Harley now?

 

We have a 08 dyna wide glide here with 58 miles on it. We are building a 107 for the customer with timken conversion and crank work. We pulled it down today the oil pump is scuffed fairly bad and the crank had .0055 thou runout. I cannot think what this pump would have looked like in a few thousand miles.

Now we just did a 107 on a 02 dyna and we swapped in a stroker crank. We checked the runout on a crank that has 88813 for miles. Runout was .001 even!!!

That stroker crank with 88813 miles ... who manufactured that ...Was that a Harley (SE) crank? :huh:

 

Cranks

We see the same here at our shop.We have re-built several hundred crankshafts over the years, (Not T/C's), and have never seen anything such as this before. Someone should be called on the carpet for this little bit of engineering expertise. The motor company, by rights, should address this though warranty, but it is probably not their fault?!?!?

 

The crank with the high milage was a stock 4 inch crank in a 88 inch engine.
We will have the crank reworked by Hoban, we may even swap in a set of his H-beam rods as well. I agree it is a shame for a crank with really no miles on it to have 5 1/2 thou runout. The pump is junk, there is no way i would re use it. The scoring in it looks like a pump you would pull out of a bike with 75K + miles on it,.... Maybe we need not use thousands to deal with milage on the first two numbers :hystria: :yikes: Like 58 miles and pretend that is has 58,000???

This bike still has the first tank of fuel in it from the dealer. Shame full really that a owner has to go through his bike before he rides it. I have no doubt that oil pump would be gone in less than 6-7K worth of riding. AS well there is a large amount of carbon on the pistons already. That could be from the rings sealing but it is 1/8 inch thick and covering about 2/3 rds of the piston tops.

We also checked crank end play just to see what we had to start with, end play was .007.

 

This bike still has the first tank of fuel in it from the dealer. AS well there is a large amount of carbon on the pistons already. That could be from the rings sealing but it is 1/8 inch thick and covering about 2/3 rds of the piston tops.

What do you mean "from the rings sealing", what other things could have made much carbon in 58 miles?

 

Too much oil used during production, meaning that there could have been a large amount of oil on top of the piston when it was fired and it cooked on the pistons. The ports look to have some oil in them as well, hard to tell with so little miles on the engine. I did not do a leak down test. But the intake ports have oil in them, could be seals or coming in through the breather system. This new air cleaner is very small and the entire unit is restrictive , that could be creating more vaccum on the breather system sucking oil in.

 

Too much oil used during production, meaning that there could have been a large amount of oil on top of the piston when it was fired and it cooked on the pistons. The ports look to have some oil in them as well, hard to tell with so little miles on the engine. I did not do a leak down test. But the intake ports have oil in them, could be seals or coming in through the breather system. This new air cleaner is very small and the entire unit is restrictive , that could be creating more vaccum on the breather system sucking oil in.

The reason I inquired was when I just pulled my heads from the 124" you (GMR) built for me I had more carbon / buildup than I or 2 other friends who viewed them thought there should be. I didn't know why there was so much!



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Well you are running Rev cylinders, what is the leak down rate?? What do the cylinders and pistons look like. It could be that you have a sealing issue. As well you have told me that the DTT system was not tuning it as well as you would have liked. Too much fuel will build carbon as well. AS well the BC system you are running can be part of the problem with sucking oil back into the head. I would inspect the pistons and cylinders closely and look to se if the t/b has more fair amount of oil in it. If you have more leak down than you should the system will push the oil in through the breathers into the engine.

 

Well you are running Rev cylinders, what is the leak down rate?? What do the cylinders and pistons look like. It could be that you have a sealing issue. As well you have told me that the DTT system was not tuning it as well as you would have liked. Too much fuel will build carbon as well. AS well the BC system you are running can be part of the problem with sucking oil back into the head. I would inspect the pistons and cylinders closely and look to se if the t/b has more fair amount of oil in it. If you have more leak down than you should the system will push the oil in through the breathers into the engine.

Thank you..............



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So this problem continues into the 08 lineup.What a shame!To let this known problem continue and only warrant the ones that fail while hoping the rest make it past warranty period.Upping the runout specs to weed out even more claims.Guess the new lower end brgs arent the answer.The remaps,the IDS,the new ecm throttle workings.These bikes are the throwaways as Pettersen made mention of.

 

is that 55 tens of thousandths or 55 thousents.. lot of differance my 07 was .002 and that was at the end of shaft.. but its a cvo which has heavy duty bearings also . i feel that is good for many thousands of miles. unless i drop it in low at 75 or let some person put it on a dyno and hit the brake hard. or do nothing but pound the **** out of it and i don't care if its pegged welded or has a camplate, it will puke. i do admit the bearings are leaving a lot to be desired but i do think if ridden halfway sane these things just may last longer than most would put on in ten years. just my 02c is all.
Happy

Maybe i'm nuts , but if i spend 20,000 for a bike i shouldn't be afraid of ruining the crank if i hit the brakes .
I just pulled the crank in my 05 0024 runout, started with a sumping problem. I never beat on my bike , how many other brands of bikes have a crank problem like this?

 

It's pretty sad. There are 4 or 5 threads now going on this forum dealing with crank issues. And HD knows it's a design flaw. Their position? If the cranks aren't meeting the specs, raise the specs. Should hold together long enough to get us through the warranty period. At which time the owners can spend a bunch more money trying to solve the problem and replace all the parts ruined by the crank.

-- gr8whyt

 

this is just my opinion. if i knew i was going to be taking my engine apart i would of never brought a brand new bike to begin with. now remember this is speaking from what i know now. I would of been looking for a better foundation to begin with. you just spent what 20 grand and you could just kiss any warranty that you have at all good by now this is speaking from experience.

i would of let hd at least put a new crank and pump in and work from there.

Kinda of tough to do when your out of warranty, I have 20000 on my bike, can't wait to see what happens when more and more bikes start getting miles on them.

 

I have several thoughts on this issue.........none of which I have answers
to.

1. Has Harley done anything to address this problem ? I know it's been
said they don't perceive a problem, at least that is their standard
answer. However from the dealers here in Milwaukee, the procedure
if a problem exist on a 07, is to pull the engine, send it back to the
factory and they ship a new one to the dealer. This has got to be
costing them a ton of monies. Seems like it would void any profits
achieved by the cost savings of the design ??

2. I would love to know the actual number of failures, vs total production.
An then the question, why do some fail, and others don't ? Why is this
seem to be such a crap shoot.

3. From a marketing standpoint, I would venture to guess, about 50% of
Harley owners modify their bikes to some extent. With this stigma
of the poor crank problems, this has got to kill the aftermarket performance
part sales, including "Screaming Eagle", for fear of warranty problems.

4. I guess the bottom line is that we as owners don't receive any
communication from the factory. They just give us the standard
BS that the problem does not exist. We feel we are driving around
on a $20.000 set of wheels, just waiting for disaster to hit. If under
warranty, it's a inconvience.....If out of warranty it's going to cost big
bucks.

5. It is common knowledge that Motor Company sales are in the dumpster.
They are shutting down production for two weeks after Thanksgiving
I have been told. This crank issue is just adding fuel to the fire regarding
why not to buy a new Harley. Don't they get it ??

Sorry for venting..........this issue really bugs me :thumbsdn: