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#1 ·
Pensacola.... Below is the article from the Pensacola News Journal this morning. If I'm not mistaken, the speed limit is 30 mph on that street. This woman is so blind that she couldn't see 3 BIG HOGS with headlights and running lights on (no flashers as in pursuit or responding to an emergency). Or....did she see them and feel like she had plenty of time to turn? The witness said the "The officers were HAULING". I wasn't there so I don't know how fast they were "hauling". I do know there have been accidents around here where bikes, mostly crotch rockets, were thought to have been going like 80 in a 45 (example) when someone pulled out in front of them. Closure rates? Cager distance perception? Speeding? All parts of the equation. My worst fear is someone either pulling out right in front of me or turning left at the point where I have zero time remaining to react. Looks like this is what happened here. It also appears in the photo that's in the paper that there is little damage to the bikes. They were able to at least slow down enough for the accident not to be a catastophe. 2 officers were launched off their bikes and the other fell over in-place with his. "Treated and released" is a very good outcome. What pisses me off is the typical MEDIA BIAS of usually trying to blame everyting on bikers and under-playing the cager who just doesn't see or care. Since these guys are police officers, the local paper treaded a little more lightly than usual. This paper is a rag who LOVES to criticise anyone who rides and assumes they MUST have done something wrong.

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"Three motorcycle officers with the Pensacola Police Department were injured Wednesday afternoon in a crash in downtown Pensacola.

Officers Bryan Lowry, 29; Jud Fillingim, 31; and Brad Buddin, 33; were driving east on Gonzalez Street about 3:30 p.m. when they collided with a Lexus sedan driven by Samantha A. Cosmas Garske, 40, of Pensacola.

The officers were taken to Sacred Heart Hospital where they were treated and released. Cosmas Garske and her son, William Sterling Kerr V, 18, told police they were not injured.

Cosmas Garske was driving west on Gonzalez Street when she stopped and made a left turn onto Guillemard Street in front of the officers, Officer Mark Holmes said in a police report. The police department is investigating the crash.

"(The officers) were hauling," said Kelsie Hagan, 20, who witnessed the accident from Long Hollow Park at the intersection. "She had her blinker on to take a left and they ran right into her."

Hagan said she saw one officer clip the front of Cosmas Garske's car, causing the motorcycle and the officer to flip and land on the sidewalk near the intersection.

"I thought he was dead," Hagan said. "He didn't get up for a long time. It was like a scene out of a movie."

Motorcycles driven by Fillingim and Buddin struck the right front of the car while the one driven by Lowry struck the front of the car, according to the report. Fillingim and Lowry were thrown from their motorcycles; Buddin fell to the ground with his.

Cosmas Garske told an officer she did not see the motorcycles.

Chrissy Ringo, who lives near the accident scene, said she has asked the Public Works Department three times to make the intersection a four-way stop. There are stop signs only on Guillemard Street.

Al Garza, director of public works, said a traffic study showed Guillemard Street did not have enough traffic to justify additional signs."

I am very, very happy they are unhurt. Thoughts?
 
#3 ·
Looking at the picture it appears that there could have been some intense sun and shade issues. Maybe she was driving into the sun and really could not see the bikes?

A witness claimed the cops were 'haulin'. That could be included in the equation.

With 3 trashed bikes, maybe they have enough parts to build 1.
 
#8 ·
I did a two day mini motor school (read: recruitment tool) last week put on by our department motor instructors, and the lead instructor told us this story.

He was driving his motor during the day when a gal looks him straight in the eye, and then does a left turn in front of him. He grabs the brakes, swerves and narrowly misses her. Stops her and asks her if she saw him. She responds, “Oh sure, I saw your motorcycle, I just didn’t realize it was a Police motorcycle”.:badmood:
 
#9 ·
Cagers

They just don't care.
This lady is 40 so we can't classify her as a blue hair.

I find that it is a classic case of I'm bigger than you syndrom.
When I'm driving my 3/4 ton full size truck, other drivers yield
to me, usually. (when I have the right of way)
When I drive my little sedan, I have to be careful just like when
I'm on the bike.
State driving regulations are hardly followed by anyone. Most
cagers go by the "I'm bigger than you rule" or the "I got here first rule".

It gets more dangerous by the day to be on the highways.
%potstir@
 
#11 ·
What's distrurbing here is that three fullsize bikes with three headlights should have been every bit as visible as most cars. Clearly, she wasn't paying attention.

On the plus side, the skidmarks seem to indicate that 2 of the officers kept their bikes upright and straight while applying maximum braking all the way to the impact. If they were speeding, then they did a really good job shutting the speed down as much as possible. Looking at the front of the bikes there's not as much damage as you would expect from a head-on. Plus the fact that they walked away, indicates that the got the speed way down at impact. I'd say this is an excellent example of why you want to stay upright and brake as much as possible before impact, as opposed to "laying it down". I'd bet money that if they had slid into the car at 30mph+, they wouldn't have walked away.
 
#12 ·
In the link provided they have several pictures, you can see the skid marks, one longer and darker then the other.
Most people think they can make it and go ahead and turn, in this case maybe they will find out what really happened, maybe just plain stupidity reared it's ugly head.
I know some may disagree with this but 9 out of 10 times when a cage turns in front of me, cuts me off, etc, it is driven by a woman, some on cell phones & they usually have someone else in the car.
Some times when your really close I can hear them say "sorry" or "oops", I usually reply with my standard "wake the f**k up" :boxin: or "maybe you could drive better with that phone up your a$$" :gun: , they are shocked when they hear this.
Be careful out there! :thumbsup:
 
#13 · (Edited)
I wonder if Mom was ripping the kid a new one and was looking but not seeing anything because here head was someplace else. Perhaps the combination of that along with sun in the eyes or perhaps she is just a total crap driver. Clearly one situation non of us would ever want to be in.

Looking at the pictures again, she was going north and then made a left turn? If so at 3:30pm, she was turning into the sun it wouldn't have been in front of her so who knows?
 
#14 ·
ZR1Dan said:
I did a two day mini motor school (read: recruitment tool) last week put on by our department motor instructors, and the lead instructor told us this story.

He was driving his motor during the day when a gal looks him straight in the eye, and then does a left turn in front of him. He grabs the brakes, swerves and narrowly misses her. Stops her and asks her if she saw him. She responds, “Oh sure, I saw your motorcycle, I just didn’t realize it was a Police motorcycle”.:badmood:
Wow... that chicks got some cojones!! I asume that she was hauled in and punished accordingly?!? For christs sake I hope that the book was thrown at her... Also, as far as the cops in P-cola, I hope that there are severe repercussions for the cage driver there too... no excuse... Thank god they all got to go home that night.
 
#15 ·
I'm going to take the other side in this.

If the witness was correct in stating the officers were "hauling" in what Steve thinks is a 30MPH zone then the officers were to blame. First of all I can't remember the last time I saw a police car/bike doing the speed limit in town so I'm tending to believe the witness. If they were "hauling" the closure rate would be much faster than a reasonable driver would expect to see. Had they been going the speed limit there probably would not have been an accident as the driver would have had enough time to clear the intersection.

Suspend all 3 cops w/o pay for a month.
 
#18 ·
cwo2lt said:
If they were "hauling" the closure rate would be much faster than a reasonable driver would expect to see.

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But she said she didn't see them at all. Perhaps the sun played a role in this as previously stated. The shadow contrast is pretty large.

The skid marks are awfully long. I'll agree that reduced speed would have prevented the accident, but she shouldn't have turned in front of them. You can't justify running into someone from behind and you can't justify turning left in front of oncoming traffic. Even if there was a red light you can't turn in front of someone that isn't stopping and expect to be considered the victim by the law or the insurance companies.
 
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#19 ·
cwo2lt said:
I'm going to take the other side in this.

If the witness was correct in stating the officers were "hauling" in what Steve thinks is a 30MPH zone then the officers were to blame. First of all I can't remember the last time I saw a police car/bike doing the speed limit in town so I'm tending to believe the witness. If they were "hauling" the closure rate would be much faster than a reasonable driver would expect to see. Had they been going the speed limit there probably would not have been an accident as the driver would have had enough time to clear the intersection.

Suspend all 3 cops w/o pay for a month.
Really?

Even if one were to accept your supposition, you feel it would be fair for all three to be suspended without pay for a month. Around here that would be a $4500.00 per man fine.

Now, suppose your supposition proves to be incorrrect. Do you honestly believe the driver of the car will get anything close to a $4500.00 fine?

Considering that having a car left turn the motorcycle is the most common type of auto/motorcycle collision, you're awfully quick to take the side of the lone witness, a 20 year-old. I challenge you to accurately estimate the speed of a passing car. It gets even more difficult with motorcycles. I can promise you that you could ride your motor down a street at the posted limit, and I could have ten people watch you, and 7 of them (at least) would say your were going "too fast".

Harris
 
#21 · (Edited)
Originally Posted by ZR1Dan
I did a two day mini motor school (read: recruitment tool) last week put on by our department motor instructors, and the lead instructor told us this story.

He was driving his motor during the day when a gal looks him straight in the eye, and then does a left turn in front of him. He grabs the brakes, swerves and narrowly misses her. Stops her and asks her if she saw him. She responds, “Oh sure, I saw your motorcycle, I just didn’t realize it was a Police motorcycle”.


He should have calmley walked back to his bike, put away his ticket book, ask her nicely to get out of the vehicle, THEN PROCEED TO BITCH SLAP HER ASS!
 
#22 ·
I do now it takes very little distance to stop when doing 30 mph. Matter of fact, I have ahd to do real short stops at around 30 in my neighborhood when a jerk pulled out in front of me like I didn't even exist. Didn't have to lock it up, almost, but still stopped in very short distance.

My biggest suspicion is that she had her head up her ass...PERIOD.

I also think the cops were "hauling" ass. It was like a flight of Blue Angels...follow the leader...into the Lexus. If they had a safe interval, and were doing the speed limit or even a little over, the dash 3 guy should have done much better. Looks like the front 2 may have been riding abreast....but I don't know for sure.
 
#23 ·
So take the motorcycle and police out of the equation. Suppose she turned in front of another car and used the excuse "well he was speeding" It wouldn't matter, the guy going straight had the right of way, you must yield to oncoming traffic when making an unprotected left turn. Clearly the car driver was at fault.

And left turning onto a bike is the most common bike/car wreck. This is well known......

Instead, let's focus on what these three officers did correctly, which allowed them to walk away. We can all assume the driving skill of the gal in the car had nothing to do with the rider's survival right? Given the high fatality rate of bikers versus left turning cars, what we have here is fairly remarkable. Two bikes which don't appear to have bent wheels, forks, or even too many scratches on the fairings. And three riders who walked away, I'd say they beat the odds, and there something to be learned here.

Trying to look at the car in the photos, it doesn't look like much in the way of dents in the fender, hood, or door. Considering that little car has very thin sheet metal skin, I bet the impact was pretty light. I bet those officers are now thinking to themselves, "If I could have stopped just a little quicker, we wouldn't even have hit." (Not counting of course, the bumper which was probably pulled off by the first bike.)

I wonder what exactly can be told about the skid marks? They look straight, so I assume they braked hard all the way to impact. Are we looking at the rear wheel marks? I guess you can't tell how well or poorly they used the front brake just by looking at pictures?

How many "left turn in front of a bike" wrecks could the rider have walked away from (like these officers) if we all practice proper braking? Think about it, it wasn't just one guy getting lucky here, all three made it.
 
#24 ·
Harris said:
Considering that having a car left turn the motorcycle is the most common type of auto/motorcycle collision, you're awfully quick to take the side of the lone witness, a 20 year-old. I challenge you to accurately estimate the speed of a passing car. It gets even more difficult with motorcycles. I can promise you that you could ride your motor down a street at the posted limit, and I could have ten people watch you, and 7 of them (at least) would say your were going "too fast".

Harris
I'll jump in on this one for what it's worth, since I learned it one day after work. A bunch of people are standing around in the far parking lot and I take off, get on the service road outside the building and accelerate up to a stop sign.
At least a dozen people the next day told me that they couldn't believe I'd run over 60 miles an hour on that road. Their guess. I wasn't above 30.

Second time -- two police officers passed me while I was walking down the sidewalk in town. I thought they were doing 40 or 50 easily - wondered what had happened. They had seen me and went around the block so we could talk about their new Harley police bikes. I asked them about speed -- 25 to 30, they said. I would have thought by now I could guess speed of a bike, but nope.
 
#25 ·
Slinger said:
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He should have calmley walked back to his bike, put away his ticket book, ask her nicely to get out of the vehicle, THEN PROCEED TO BITCH SLAP HER ASS!
Unfortunately, that type of thing discouraged. While he didn’t elaborate, I’m sure she left with numerous coupons...

Where in Idaho are you? I spent the 1st 18 years of my life in Idaho Falls...