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Ken..well it's not really a change back, since the wheels/tires prior were stock 16's. I wrestled with which size wheel to go with a lot before buying and in the end the look of the 21" won out. I would never say it's a bad ride. In fact, if you lower the front end an inch or so to get the bike back in balance, it will handle very well, and the ride can be very nice. That said, the ride itself isn't as nice as the stock 16's for me pure and simple. With the 21's it's a different feel for sure and again, not a bad one, but for me I'm going to 18's for primarily two reasons; I want better handling and ride than stock not as good or a little worse, (not sure I'll get as good of a pliant ride with the 18's but it's the next step in any event) and two, while I really do dig the 21" look, I'm growing a bit tired of it, and lately have a thing for fatter front ends on baggers. I don't intend to disparage the ride or handling of a 21" however. MOST folks say they love it, whether it's because of their investment or not I can't say. For me, regardless of my investment, if it's not perfect, I'll change..pipes, seats windshields etc. Hell I may put the 21's back on some day as well.

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Dude!!!!!!!! that is a nice looking SG.The rims/set up look hot!!!!!!!!:woohoo:
 
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I thought real hard about doing something interesting with the stock 16's and just putting them back on, but after the custom look of the Czar wheels and tires, I didn't think I'd be able to go back to stock looks and be happy. That's why I'm hoping the 18's give me what I'm looking for. I did notice that the new SG wheel design is the same, but with the 17" front tire/wheel and that it is painted vs textured black, it doesn't look bad at all. With the black floating rotors it's actually a nice look. If the 18" front doesn't perform like a bagger should, (and I agree with the above statement), then I won't hesitate putting the set up for sale for a decent price.
I am going to look into getting the stock wheels chromed, I have no idea what that costs these days or how long my bike would sit with no wheels- not sure I can wait. But I did see the bike with chrome stock mags and looked really clean.

-ken
 
JagmanR, that is one sweet ride. I've been wanting to switch out my 16" PM Hooligan for a 21". Here in NW FL we don't have many twisties, 99% of my riding straight-aways.

Are thos D&D pipes your running?
Thanks FLST. I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of a 21". It is a perfectly acceptable alternative for any touring bike with the 3.5 wide patch, and I have enjoyed mine. That's why I won't be selling it when I get my 18" to swap it out. As I said, I am looking forward to raising the front end back up an inch and getting even more tire surface though. I have always said however that a set of 16's on a touring bike is a sweet ride. A shame they don't look great. Funny how just the new 17" front wheel and tire even looks better.
Yes..that is a D&D Fatcat w/ Quiet Baffle.
 
I like the way the 21" looks on my FLHX, but can tell you the 18"/18" set up is better for handling, because once you lower the front end, it doesn't ride anywhere near as good, tends to be a stiffer ride, not to mention, everyone I know that has the 21, has bottomed the fender on the engine guard or bottom of the forks at least once. I've ridden mine on long trips, and it works good.
 
Is a 21” rim a mistake?

I have a 2008 Ultra Classic and I also want to go to a 21" front wheel with stock fender and stock duel calipers. I currently have on order a 21” X 3.5 / 60 Spoke Classic Laced rim from American Wire (americanwire.com)

However after reading this forum I am wondering if I should call them Monday and change my order to an 18” rim.

Is a 21” rim a mistake?

PS: I have a 1973 Super glide with a 21” rim, 2” over fork tubes and it feels fine…?
 
I have a 2008 Ultra Classic and I also want to go to a 21" front wheel with stock fender and stock duel calipers. I currently have on order a 21” X 3.5 / 60 Spoke Classic Laced rim from American Wire (americanwire.com)

However after reading this forum I am wondering if I should call them Monday and change my order to an 18” rim.

Is a 21” rim a mistake?

PS: I have a 1973 Super glide with a 21” rim, 2” over fork tubes and it feels fine…?

Honestly, your post and ones like it are the reason I typically don't offer my opinion on this matter. You have several opinions in this thread, and frankly more 18 over 21 pro's from folks who've actually ridden with both than is typical. You don't often hear from folks with 21" front ends voicing displeasure or preference for something else, so thats a good sign. You also don't often read or hear of folks moving from a 21 to an 18 but you do hear the opposite often. Here's the deal, the 21 looks awesome. It rides and handles very good. I sincerely doubt the small amount of overall ride comfort you get will out weigh what you get in killer custom looks. Now...if you're someone who is really is picky about how your bagger rides, handles and demands nothing less than ideal, the 21" might not satisfy. There is really only one way to determine that and thats to either own one or ride one at length. When i first put mine on I was thrilled and honestly couldn't determine much difference other than it did feel "different." After a couple thousand miles, the extra firmness, the somewhat less pliant ride, (mostly due to the need to lower the front end), and small degradation of two up handling and slow speed handling is enough for me to move to the 18's and see if that works for me. Still a great look, with hopefully ideal, for me, riding characteristics.
That said there are a whole lot of folks who would vehemently disagree with me.
 
I have a 2008 Ultra Classic and I also want to go to a 21" front wheel with stock fender and stock duel calipers. I currently have on order a 21” X 3.5 / 60 Spoke Classic Laced rim from American Wire (americanwire.com)

However after reading this forum I am wondering if I should call them Monday and change my order to an 18” rim.

Is a 21” rim a mistake?

PS: I have a 1973 Super glide with a 21” rim, 2” over fork tubes and it feels fine…?
In my opinion, the 21" wheel is a fashion statement, not a better ride or better handling. I have a buddy that worked in R&D for PM, and he told me to buy 18's like I had on my Road King, because of the handling, but I followed his lead and put on a 21. I love the look, but at times, don't like the lowered front end or handling characteristics of the bigger wheel. You have to decide for yourself, but all my riding buddies have a 21 up front, so it is the current trend.
 
Thanks for the feedback! I guess I will let it ride and if I don’t like it I will take it off!

As for the tyres I was going to order the Venom AM42 for the rear and AM21 for the front. Am I on track?

http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/?page=tyres&method=listtyres&cat=2
Can't tell by the general description of the Venom and model number, and I ride Metzelers, but your tire size is probably something like:

120/70-21 with a 21x3.5 rim Front
150/70-18 with a 4.25 rim Rear

That is the size Metzeler and rim on my SG today. My new front tire will be a 140/70-18 with a 3.5 Rim.
 
Can't tell by the general description of the Venom and model number, and I ride Metzelers, but your tire size is probably something like:

120/70-21 with a 21x3.5 rim Front
150/70-18 with a 4.25 rim Rear

That is the size Metzeler and rim on my SG today. My new front tire will be a 140/70-18 with a 3.5 Rim.


I have the ME-880 Metzlers on 18 X 3.5 front and 18 X 5.5 rear

140/70-18 front
150/70-18 rear

Love the ride and habdling... :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
I am confused now or I have been given bad information. I called custom chrome to inquire about Metzlers motorcycle tires for my Ultra Classic and they said it is not recommended because of the load rating was too low. They told me everyone is doing it but it’s not recommended. I assumed that all the bikes I have seen in the bagger mag’a with Metzlers maybe were only for show. I guess I will need to look into this more…

Who’s idea was this anyway

Venom AM42 (rear) 908 lbs
 
I am confused now or I have been given bad information. I called custom chrome to inquire about Metzlers motorcycle tires for my Ultra Classic and they said it is not recommended because of the load rating was too low. They told me everyone is doing it but it’s not recommended. I assumed that all the bikes I have seen in the bagger mag’a with Metzlers maybe were only for show. I guess I will need to look into this more…

Who’s idea was this anyway

Venom AM42 (rear) 908 lbs
I've heard that before, but no one I know has ever had a problem and they all run the same tires, Metzler's.
 
I am confused now or I have been given bad information. I called custom chrome to inquire about Metzlers motorcycle tires for my Ultra Classic and they said it is not recommended because of the load rating was too low. They told me everyone is doing it but it’s not recommended. I assumed that all the bikes I have seen in the bagger mag’a with Metzlers maybe were only for show. I guess I will need to look into this more…

Who’s idea was this anyway

Venom AM42 (rear) 908 lbs
You're gonna be fine. Avons are fine tires as well.
 

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I was just informed that the Avon tires I wanted are not available until late fall. I am now looking at the ME-880 Metzlers. My question is what is the widest rear tire that will fit on a stock 2008 Ultra Classic? ( I intend on using the stock rear rim).

Thank you for your time!
 
Ive seen it mentioned by a few here that its required you lower your front suspention by 1 inch, however in all the mags I read on convertions like the 21 front and 18 rear never have they said anyting about lowering. Why is it required or is it just a looks thing? Seems to me that the bike sits alot highter off the ground once the wheels are installed. Id love to do this to my old Cop flht but Im concerned about the ride quality and exspence. The look speaks for itself.
Thanks
-S
 
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