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been on the forum for awhile now and hardly anyone answers the question of what their eng. mod cost...parts,labor etc. we all know great work isnt cheap,most of us just want to try and get a ballpark figure of what it may cost and let us know where the parts are from...gmr,hillside,r&r etc.if your ride isnt lited let us know what bike you did the mod on,I just think it would be interesting to know...what do you the members here think is it a good idea or a semi invasion of privacy..lol or some of us don't want the wives and husbands to know how much we really spent????
 

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My 107 in its most recent reincarnation:

expert ported modified heads $1800
Roller rockers $ 300
Rocker support plate forged $ 200
Pushrods $120
Millenium cylinder/piston kit $1200
New crank balanced/welded $1000
Timken conversion $ 300
Andrews 67G/gear drive $ 600
New oil pump, lifters/cam plate $ 600
Ignition system (S&S IS) $500
CV 44 carb/manifold $400
a/c kit $150
Exhaust (Rb Racing Black Hole) $1000
Clutch kit (VPC, SE plate) $300
Gasket kit/this and that $500
Baker DD6 $ 2500

Total without labor roughly $10,870

and I am sure I probably forgot some stuff. Labor for such a major conversion is probably to the tune of 40h-50h, don't really know did a lot of the stuff together with the guys at shop. Shipping for various heavy parts is not included, estimate is another $500

Ph$ck, never noticed that I didn't spend any money on brakex. Well that explains it.....
 

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been on the forum for awhile now and hardly anyone answers the question of what their eng. mod cost...parts,labor etc. we all know great work isnt cheap,most of us just want to try and get a ballpark figure of what it may cost and let us know where the parts are from...gmr,hillside,r&r etc.if your ride isnt lited let us know what bike you did the mod on,I just think it would be interesting to know...what do you the members here think is it a good idea or a semi invasion of privacy..lol or some of us don't want the wives and husbands to know how much we really spent????


117 CID Stroker * = included in build pricing of $6450.00 (GMR)
11.5:1 Compression Ratio *
Axtell 117" Cylinders = $1100.00
R&R Polished Billet Heads-Port-Polish-Flowed with Compression Releases From Randy Torgeson "King Of Cubes" (Site Sponsor) = $1100.00 more than Stage 4 Heads that came with build
Hoban CVO Lightened and Balanced Stroker Crank & Rods *
R&R 62H Cams *
R&R Ultra Pro Street Billet Cam Support Plate & Venting Cover = $650.00
Timken Bearing *
Bore Cases *
Andrews Gear Drive & Install Kit = $410.00
SE Forged Rocker Arm Supports = $155.00
S&S Forged Rocker Arms = $400.00
HD Roller Lifters
GMR Chrome-Moly Adjustable Pushrods = $100.00
CP Forged Pistons *
Cometic Gasket Kit *
Feuling Super Oil Pump = $400.00
SE CVO Oil Cooler = $462.00
SE 6-Speed Trans = $2100.00
Pingel Electric Shift = $895.00
Bulletpruf Final Drive Belt = $120.00
HD SE Race Tuner = $420.00
Daytona Twin Tec 6.0 Injectors = $200.00
Daytona Twin Tec TCFI IID = $795.00
Daytona Twin Tec Palm-TCFI-C = $180.00
Daytona Twin Tec Scan II+ = $400.00
HORSEPOWER INC 56MM TB WITH 1.800 INTAKE +.030 $700.00
Doherty Machine Myst Free = $200.00
K&N Breather Tube Oil Collector = $120.00
K&N Air Filter = $52.00
Rivera Pro Clutch = $475.00
Super Trapp SuperMegs 2 n 1 with 9 Disc’s Open End = $710.00
Rodger McEwan Oil Temp Gauge = $160.00
Arlen Ness Oil Pressure Gauge = $175.00
LeNale Engineering Fan / Horn Combo = $230.00
Amsoil Oil Filter = ck with George (Site Sponsor)
Amsoil 60 wt. SYN Racing Oil = ck with George (Site Sponsor)
Amsoil Super Shift ATF in primary = ck with George (Site Sponsor)
AutoLite 4163 Spark Plugs = $5.00
Taylor Wires = $40.00

Total = $17124.00 + whatever else I forgot.


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Sweet

This is the best post ever! I will get my 124 quote and give out the #s. Do these build quotes so faqr include tuning? I do not see that.
 

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Tuning not included, did the most part myself. Factor in $300-$500 and find the right guy/gal for the job.

PS Forgot case boring job, about $180 IIRC
 

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I've got roughly $4000 in my engine. This figure does not include pipes, air cleaner or tuning.

95" SE cylinders
SE hi comp pistons
S&S 510 gear cams
CNC ported heads (by GMR)
CV carb by Dakota Kid
SE adj ignition
Baisley adj push rods

Recent dyno yeilded 100hp and 110tq.
 

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1711tab said:
Not All But Most Parts From GMR:

124 CID Stroker * = included in build pricing of $6450.00
11.5:1 Compression Ratio *
Revolution Nikel-Sil 124 ” Cylinders *
R&R CNC Welded Heads/ Ported/ Polished/ Flowed/ Compression Releases *
R&R CVO Lightened and Balanced Stroker Crank & Rods *
R&R 62H Cams *
R&R Ultra Pro Street Billet Cam Support Plate & Venting Cover = $600.00
Split cases install Timken Bearing *
Bore Cases *
Andrews Gear Drive & Install Kit = $410.00
SE Forged Rocker Arm Supports = $155.00
S&S Forged Rocker Arms = $400.00
Roller Lifters *
GMR Chrome-Moly Adjustable Pushrods = $100.00
CP Forged Pistons *
Cometic Gasket Kit *
Feuling Super Oil Pump = $400.00
SE CVO Oil Cooler = $462.00
SE 6-Speed Trans = $2100.00
Pingel Electric Shift = $895.00
Bulletpruf Final Drive Belt = $120.00
Daytona Twin Tec 6.0 Injectors = $200.00
Daytona Twin Tec TCFI IID = $795.00
Daytona Twin Tec Palm-TCFI-C = $180.00
BC Gerolamy Dual 50mm Throttle Body = $495.00
Doherty Machine Myst Free = $200.00
K&N Breather Tube Oil Collector = $120.00
K&N Air Filter = $52.00
Rivera Pro Clutch = $475.00
Super Trapp SuperMegs 2 n 1 with 9 Disc’s Open End = $710.00
Rodger McEwan Oil Temp Gauge = $160.00
Arlen Ness Oil Pressure Gauge = $175.00
LeNale Engineering Fan / Horn Combo = $230.00
Amsoil Oil Filter = ck with George
Amsoil 60 wt. SYN Racing Oil = ck with George
Amsoil Super Shift ATF in primary = ck with George
AutoLite 4163 Spark Plugs = $5.00
Taylor Wires = $40.00

Total = $15754.00 + whatever I forgot in extras :hmmm:


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Does Not Include Dyno Time!


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A decent build can be had cheaper.
1. chain drive cams $250
2. head work(street port) $400-$500
3. cylinders bored to the pistons $100-$150
4. shipping both ways for machining $100
5. pistons/rings (cast) $150-$200
6. gaskets and plugs $100
***buy the engine parts from machineshop
assembly DIY free Indy $500 at most
7. supertrapp 2in1 $550
8. air cleaner $150
9. SERT $350
10. dyno tune $350

Total job < $3200
should be cheaper with a carbed bike

This should get you 85hp/90torque (actual adjusted value) or better (95/100)
This build is fast and should not need a new clutch right away or mounts, but you might think about it. Do not be disappointed with the adjusted value, this is a real value and many people lie about thier results

You can go with higher compression you would need to have comp releases added to the heads. bigger valves and different porting and a reworked throttle body

added to the machining
comp releases $100
difference in race heads $400
throttle body $300 or more
gear drive and cam plate $1000 above cost of cams
oil pump $400

This should get you 85hp/90torque (actual adjusted value) or better (95/100)
This build is fast and should not need a new clutch right away or mounts, but you might think about it. Do not be disappointed with the adjusted value, this is a real value and many people lie about thier results. You might gain 5hp/5 torque from the cheaper build
 

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2000 NT 95" Big Bore

10:1 SE cast pistons $150.00
Bore/fit pistons 150.00
True head gasket surface 60.00
3 angle valve job 60.00
port and polish 100.00
gaskets 60.00
Ultima spring set 53.95
Andrews 60g cams 281.00
Andrews pushrods 115.00
crank and cam drive gears 51.90
undersize pinion gear 72.00
bolts 60.00
oil bypass shim 7.00
labor 280.00
oil fil 12.95
syn oil 44.95
SE ignition 150.00
Rush Slip ons 275.00

Total 1,987.35

95hp/100tq dyno. Completed at B&C Cycles Battleground,In. on 4/2007.

I forgot to add my Thunderslide carb kit that I did myself at about $100.00
 

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WEINERDOGBONE said:
2000 NT 95" Big Bore

10:1 SE cast pistons $150.00
Bore/fit pistons 150.00
True head gasket surface 60.00
3 angle valve job 60.00
port and polish 100.00
gaskets 60.00
Ultima spring set 53.95
Andrews 60g cams 281.00
Andrews pushrods 115.00
crank and cam drive gears 51.90
undersize pinion gear 72.00
bolts 60.00
oil bypass shim 7.00
labor 280.00
oil fil 12.95
syn oil 44.95
SE ignition 150.00
Rush Slip ons 275.00

Total 1,9873.75

95hp/100tq dyno. Completed at B&C Cycles Battleground,In. on 4/2007.

I forgot to add my Thunderslide carb kit that I did myself at about $100.00
That is just shy of 2000, not 20,000.
That head work was a good price and those parts must have been used, cam drive gears are more than that. You got a great deal on the labor.

I wish that the fuel in So Cal would run an engine like that. Congratulations, it is hard to hit 95/100 (corrected) with stock valves and intake, especially with stock pipes. You didn't say what model you had, but duals take some from it.
 

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That is just shy of 2000, not 20,000.
That head work was a good price and those parts must have been used, cam drive gears are more than that. You got a great deal on the labor.

I wish that the fuel in So Cal would run an engine like that. Congratulations, it is hard to hit 95/100 (corrected with stock valves and intake, especially with stock pipes. You didn't say what model you had, but duals take some from it.
Thanks for correcting my math Paul. I have a 2000 Night Train. I couldn't say whether the gears were used or not. This is my local Indy shop whom I deal with exclusively and I know they did the work on the cheap for me so the gears could be used.

They were fairly disappointed with the HP and TQ numbers on this build. It was raining like heck when they did the dyno tune but I insisted on tuning it against their wishes at the time. I think it's a little rich on the neddle setting and I am supposed to bring it back for more tuning but I can't stand to do it while it's warm outside.
 

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SE 1550 Flattop Pistons - $110 (dealer sale)
Big Boyz Bored my stock cylinders - $130
HeadQuarters HQ-0034G Cams & Gears & Install kit - $600
Big Boyz Ported & Polished Stock Heads - $299
CC'ed and Milled for 9.6-1 Compression - $95
Cometic .030 Head Gasket - $30
SE Quick Install Pushrods - $110 (dealer sale)
SE Clutch Spring - $20
SE Triple Platinum Sparkplugs - $20
Top End Gasket kit - $80 (dealer sale)

Total invested in motor = $1494

About 15-20 hours of labor total in doing the build myself.

I already had the air cleaner, exhaust, fuel management system prior to the build. I did waste about $600 on dyno tuning trying to fine someone to do it right before picking up a DTT auto-tune system and letting it do all the work.

This build produced 100 tq/ 95 hp, and I haven't had it back on the dyno since putting on the Fatcat and the DTT system. It's running much better then it did before, so I'm guessing the numbers may be a bit higher now..........but I'm all done wasting money on dyno time.

Possible changes this winter are removing the heads and having them milled down for 10-1 compression and have compression releases installed.

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The interesting thing is that the cost seems to really jump past 100-110 torque.
 

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95 CI cylinders $139 ebay
SE forged pistons 9.6:1 $239 Suburban Harley
37G & s&s geardrive $549 direct parts
sert $365 ebay
cometic gasket kit $69 direct parts
labour $370 local
 

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Hard to say what it cost until you break it to how many hours

I've bee all over the US and I make a point to check out the Harley shops... I can tell you the best way to figure out a cost is to get the parts list then see how many hours the job take... then look at the labor rate for your shops. It can be $48 per hr to over $90 per hr in the Sacramento area... and that can be a big difference in the total cost. I will wait for winter and hope for some deals.
 

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The interesting thing is that the cost seems to really jump past 100-110 torque.

@gree: It really goes sky rocketing when you get to 145HP / 145TQ or more.




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103 build on Ultra

SE Flat tops 120.00
Heads Ported by Bigboyz(excellent value) with cylinders bored shipping etc. about 625.
Inner cam bearings 10.00
Cams Woods 7H 360.00 from GMR (thanks Steve)
D&D Fatcat quiet baffle 480.00
SE AC and K&N filter 110.00
Gaskets filters etc 100.
SERT (ebay special) 290.00

About 2100 bucks but just about everyone immediately installs pipes and a/c, tuner, take these away and the engine build alone is easily under 1200 bucks. The Value and performance per dollar of this build would be hard to beat. Maybe save another hundred using Andrews cams.
 

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@gree: It really goes sky rocketing when you get to 145HP / 145TQ or more.




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So true. You are engineering around the constrainsts of 70 year old technology AND elemental laws of physics concerning the energy that can be released using a certain type of engine.
 

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103 build on Ultra

SE Flat tops 120.00
Heads Ported by Bigboyz(excellent value) with cylinders bored shipping etc. about 625.
Inner cam bearings 10.00
Cams Woods 7H 360.00 from GMR (thanks Steve)
D&D Fatcat quiet baffle 480.00
SE AC and K&N filter 110.00
Gaskets filters etc 100.
SERT (ebay special) 290.00

About 2100 bucks but just about everyone immediately installs pipes and a/c, tuner, take these away and the engine build alone is easily under 1200 bucks. The Value and performance per dollar of this build would be hard to beat. Maybe save another hundred using Andrews cams.
I have to agre that is a great price. The issue is what is the torque and hp that you want/need? If you are at say 110, that is pretty good indeed.
 
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