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I find it ironic that these two posts were sequenced perfectly to explain the crux of the American spending mentality. People who have little business owning a $25K toy, and salespeople doing everything they can to make it happen. This makes me sick, but I'm also not part of the problem.
It was also the biggest reason for the housing bubble in 07.. Afirmative Action had its input to the collapse also...

Selling Items to people who cannot afford to ever complete the payments on them....
 

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many/most of us wouldn't have shat if buying on credit
wasn't an option...but i'm talking necessities, house and
a decent car, survival.
 

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true...but even "toys" are an important part of the
mix-big picture.

building new bikes provides jobs. granted i won't
support the system, my 04 WG is it for me.
 

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The new standard's engine number starts with FVCK. The V looks like a U on first look. What the FVCK was the factory thinking. Maybe that will sell some of them.
 

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Some may like **** ; with a V that looks like a U, on their bikes VIN#.
Just as many or more might avoid the bike for that reason.
We may have just identified part of Harley's problem.
Not as many people think that's acceptable as Harley may think.
 

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I have HD FLHT standard 2019. I want to replace fork oil and oil seals. Perhaps someone knows the amount contained in each fork?
 
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