[ronf]

With hindsight, I really wish we would have finished the job we started 11 years ago. When world opinion and politicians get involved with defense situations, nothing good can become of it. I hate to see our children have to finish something that could have been taken care of years ago, but it needs to be done. Saddam is tyrant, a liar, and not to be trusted with the mass destruction weapons with-in his arsenal. Give him another year and he will have nuclear weapons capable of destroying our strategic airbases in Turkey and ground bases in Germany.

So what do others think, fight, watch, or any other remedies?

 

[wyodude]

With hindsight, I really wish we would have finished the job we started 11 years ago. When world opinion and politicians get involved with defense situations, nothing good can become of it. I hate to see our children have to finish something that could have been taken care of years ago, but it needs to be done. Saddam is tyrant, a liar, and not to be trusted with the mass destruction weapons with-in his arsenal. Give him another year and he will have nuclear weapons capable of destroying our strategic airbases in Turkey and ground bases in Germany.

So what do others think, fight, watch, or any other remedies?

Kick his fucken ass now! F*ck the UN, they are fucken irrelevant anyway.

 

[FLSTFI Dave]

Iraq

I'm against war if at all possible. Some times it is necessary. Sadam Husain is a Tyrant, bully and a liar. He is a problem child for the entire world. He needs to be exterminated. While we are at it so do both his son as they are worse than he is.

As a verteran of the Gulf war our hands were tied. We coul not specificaly target Sadam due to our laws at the time. Our laws have change we can target him now! I say do it now!

As much as I hate to say it we do need to go to war with Iraq and elimintae Sadam and his two sons. I also agee, the hell with the UN. They have not upheld the sanctions against Iraq. They are just like a bunch of bleeding heart liberals.

I say lets just take Iraq down. Bush needs to finish what his father could not due to laws at the time.

 

[ziggyhd1]

We should have taken care of this years ago. RONF i'm with you that it sucks that the kids of today have to do what should have been done before, but, we can't leave this for the kids of tomorrow.

Bush is strong and we, as a country, need to back him 100%.

There have always been wars and probably always will, but this has gone on long enough. We should end this now!

 

[hogg831]

You guys make great points! Unfortunately warriors hands have been tied by a long time, McArthur being a good example. Soldiers, Sailors, Airman and Marines are the last people in the world who wants war, but when the politicos decide its time, then American forces bring all hell to bear. Maybe this time, if necessary, once the order is given, the Generals and Admirals will be allowed to let them do what they do best!

 

[Sidewalk]

Get him out of power with the easiest means possible. Unfortunately, it will probably take war. With political considerations (we have to, we need the rest of the world), we need to do it with the UN.

The rest of the world needs to wake up and realize the dangers that are hiding in the world. People like Sadam understand nothing but power. Given the right situation, he would be the next Hitler.

 

[HIPPO]

Fu(k the UN?
By all means. Let them crawl back into their caves. We can take care of our own business perhaps consulting our NATO allies.

Invade Iraq?
Let Israel take care of their own business and the chips fall where they may. If Iraq attaks the US in any shape way or form, nuke them.

 

[JimmyK]

How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
Yes, 'n' how many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand?
Yes, 'n' how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they're forever banned?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes, 'n' how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.


There will always be a reason for War so long as we seek a reason to war.

Y'all are a bunch a Media Sheep. Y'all remind me of Jehovahs Witnesses. If The Watchtower printed it, it must be truth.


"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.



Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl, he is a warning. Sheep get pounced on as they BlaHAHelpMeDotBla.

Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl, is your fucin destiny. Play Bikers get Boo Boos and y'all are sick as fuc if you read this far! LOL! Happy Holloween !


BOO! WHO IB BOO YOU!

 

[JimmyK]

Ok sorry, serious note now. This man has been around and he deserves some respect.

Published on Monday, October 28, 2002 by the Bryan - College Station Eagle
Journalist Cronkite Warns Against Potential War
by Christopher Ferrell

Walter Cronkite, the veteran newsman who covered almost every major world event that took place during his six-decade career, on Sunday warned that if the United States takes action against Iraq without support from the United Nations it could set the stage for World War III.
“The threat from the White House is to go in anyway,” Cronkite said. “Our only ally would probably be Great Britain. That is not good enough. I see the possibility if we do that of really setting forth World War III.”

Cronkite spoke at Texas A&M University’s Rudder Auditorium on Sunday afternoon as part of the Wiley Lecture Series. Donnis Baggett, editor and publisher of The Bryan-College Station Eagle, interviewed Cronkite, asking him about his views on issues including America’s war on terrorism, the U.S. economy and the perception of the media’s liberal bias.

Cronkite said he believes the best way to handle the situation with Iraq would be through a two-stage resolution adopted by the United Nations. It should first call for weapons inspections and then an invasion if inspectors are not allowed or they meet interference. Such a strategy could help the United States gain other allies, especially Russia and France, he said.

“The legitimacy of our actions would be endorsed through the United Nations,” Cronkite said.

If the United States goes in without worldwide support, however, other countries in the region such as Iran and Pakistan could retaliate against the U.S., Cronkite said. He said the threat of nuclear exchanges between India and Pakistan could be increased if a conflict arises.

Cronkite, who began anchoring the CBS Evening News in 1962, said the country is at a very critical point in its history. The only other decade that compares, he said, is the 1960s, which saw the beginning of the Vietnam War, the civil rights movement come to the forefront and the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and civil rights leaders Martin Luther King Jr. and Medgar Evers.

“That was a tough 10 years,” he said. “But this period, with the threat of war with Iraq on tap, economic difficulties and terrorism are something we must be terribly concerned about.”

Cronkite said he fears Americans are learning less and less about what their government is doing, and worse, they do not seem to care.

He cited recent presidential elections that have seen less than half of registered voters go to the polls. The result has been leaders who are chosen by about a quarter of the electorate.

“That means we don’t have a democracy,” he said. “We’ve got an oligarchy here, not a democracy. Our democracy is in some danger if we don’t concentrate on educating the populace.”

Educating Americans should rest with the media, he said. But more often than not, nightly newscasts and the networks’ magazine-style shows focus more on entertainment than hard news. Cronkite said this approach is the result of directives from the companies that own the networks to make things more “interesting.”

He said the ability to get the news, especially during times of war, also is becoming more difficult.

Since the Vietnam War, Cronkite said, the media has not been allowed to take its cameras, pencils and notepads into the field with the soldiers to give an accurate account of what is happening.

During World War II, reporters were in fox holes, and during the Vietnam War they were on the battlefields.

In many cases during WWII, the reports would have to go through intelligence officers all the way up the ladder to London, where top military censors decided if the information could be released. If security reasons prevented its release, the news was held until the threat passed. But information was not kept from the American public.

Cronkite said Americans may have thought they got the full story during Operation Desert Storm, but the media was denied much of the type of access it had been granted in the past.

“[In past conflicts], you wrote it to be the history,” he said. “We have no history now of the Persian Gulf War. We have only what the military reporters wrote and that’s what their bosses told them. That’s not good enough.”

Cronkite admitted that in some cases, such as the recent congressional report that outlined the country’s homeland security weaknesses, he wonders whether or not reporting all the facts is in the country’s best interest.

“It seems to me that as citizens, we should get this info so we can shout to Washington, ‘Let’s get this game going,’” he said. “But at the same time, there’s a terrorist cell sitting there saying, ‘That’s how we do it.’”

But for a country’s citizens to be truly free and the government to be held accountable, he said people must have a free press that gathers all the facts.

He said an example of the alternative would be a situation like what he witnessed after WWII, after the Nazi concentration camps were freed. The people who lived in nearby towns cried at the sights of the persecuted Jews and told reporters they had no idea of what was going on behind the walls of the camps.

Many were probably telling the truth, he said, but that did not make them any less responsible.

“They applauded as Hitler closed down the independent newspaper and television stations and only gave them his propaganda,” Cronkite said. “When they did not rise up and say, ‘Give us a free press,’ they became just as guilty.”

© 2000 - 2002 The Bryan - College Station Eagle


Thanks

 

[wyodude]

F*ck Walter Cronkite.

F*ck Jimmy Carter too.

These fucken whiny assed leftists HATE America, they want us to be like the socialist countries in Europe, or better yet, some third world shithole.


wyo

 

[Thealien]

FU*K THE UN they never support us anyway

Free press my ass, all these liberal reporters won't report on news they don't agree with.

The press in america lead the lambs of this country around and they believe everything thier told.

I've got to stop now before I get pissed, or I wake Fugly's vien up.

 

[AngRay]

You guys make great points! Unfortunately warriors hands have been tied by a long time, McArthur being a good example. Soldiers, Sailors, Airman and Marines are the last people in the world who wants war, but when the politicos decide its time, then American forces bring all hell to bear. Maybe this time, if necessary, once the order is given, the Generals and Admirals will be allowed to let them do what they do best!

I dont know how many here (HarleyDavidsonForum) are in the service now, I have only been in now for about 4 years, I am in Saudi right now, I have seen Korea too.. I do not represent all soldiers, but I will willingly go to war if we have the chance, sure it may be the worst experience of my life, but if it keeps my family's way of life the same, as long as they can live there tomorrow as they did yesterday, I will feel good about doing it. I mention where I am at now and where I have been only to state that I know how really good Americans have it. I dont want my friends and families to have to live like "they" do, I dont want to live like they do. I volunteered to be here.

Kick ass first post, eh?

 

[Sidewalk]

Kick ass first post, eh?

Yep, and I don't think anyone can argue with you since you are there now.

 

[wyodude]

Kick ass first post, eh?

No. Good first post.

Kick ass first post woulda beena picture of you on your new sled, rear tire smoking, and some scantily clad tasty young betty pouring a beer down you gullet. That woulda been kick ass.

BTW, thanks for being there.

Regards,

wyo

 

[wyodude]

Kick ass first post, eh?

No. Good first post.

Kick ass first post woulda beena picture of you on your new sled, with some scantily clad tasty young betty pouring a beer down you gullet.

BTW, thanks for being there.

Regards,

wyo

 

[AngRay]

True that would have made a much better first post. However I cant have beer here or any alchohol for that matter (4 month dry spell as of now, like 2 more to go) there are 4 good looking girls here, that... well probably wouldnt look soo hot back in the states 4 months ago. And though I am buying the sled this weekend, wont be able to pick it up until late January. Kinda looks like it was a little impossible now... Ah all well, I will make a "Kick ass post" here as soon as I can! but I have a 12 speed Huffy here, I can get one of the "other" girls here to take a pic with a near beer being force fed to me. hehe!

 

[Sidewalk]

A bitchin first post would include female nudity.

 

[AngRay]

Did I mention that nudity is illegal here in Saudi?

Man I wish I was lying about all this stuff I cant have!!

They go as far as too marker out a girl in a normal bikini on a car brochure that AAFEES was selling. Its just stupid....

 

[hogg831]

.....but I will willingly go to war if we have the chance , ..........

Welcome AngRay, Great to have you aboard and Thanks for your service! Understand I agree that we will fight and kick ass to boot. But we go to war not when we have the chance, but when it is necessary. Your job is determent(sp) not suicide. War is hell, that statement was not made in jest. I have had an old man and brother go to war ('Nam). Fortunately I served more than 20 without firing a round in anger because of their service. Prepare, train hard and realisticly for the war/conflict and pray it never comes.

 

[AngRay]

your right I could have better worded that, that is not how I meant for that to sound. Sounds like you understand what I meant, I hope others do too,

....will willing go to war if ordered....

thanks for the warm welcome!