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Hi everyone. As you can see I am new here. Hopefully someone can answer a brake question for me. I got an 02 Road King back in April and this weekend while checking things over I found the brake fluid looked dark and dirty. I would like to flush the system but I believe the 02 has Dot 5 silicone fluid. I don't know if the last owner ever flushed it or maybe even changed the system to Dot 4. Is there anyway to tell if this fluid is silicone or glycol? I really don't want to have to rebuild the whole system.
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the dot 5 was standard that year you can put some on your paint if it eats it away its not dot 5 .lol however I would not recomend that, I know the dot5 was purpleish in color if you can tell anything about that, as far as I know dot5 was the only one that was purple. hope that helps a little .

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BUT>> over time, the purple changes to the same look as the DOT4.
The 2 fluids are not compatible and won't mix together. Try removing some of yours and mix in an equal part of DOT4 or DOT5. If you mix it and let it stand, the compatible fluid will thoroughly mix. If it seperates, it isn't the same as what you have installed.
 

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Here is something I stumbled across and saved.Had it for a while and not sure of the author.

Beginning in 1976, Harley-Davidson used DOT 5 in all its brake systems.

DOT 5 brake fluid is a silicone-based fluid and is not compatible with DOT 4. It is also less suitable than DOT 4 for ABS systems, because of its higher compressibility.

For model year 2005, the FL platform changed to DOT 4.
For 2006, all models except XL went to DOT 4.

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Harley sells DOT 5 Brake Fluid with the following disclaimer: Fits all models except 05-later Touring models, '06-later VRSC, Dyna, Softail and '07 Sportster models.

Harley sells DOT 4 with this disclaimer: "Fits '05-later Touring and 06-later VRSC, Dyna and Softail and 07 Sportster models.


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For 2007, All models use DOT4.
When working with Any Brake Fluid follow these very important steps;
1. Cover the tank and fenders as an added measure to prevent any spilled brake fluid from coming in contact with paint. Beware of any fluid dripping down the frame tubes.
2. Level the master cylinder BEFORE loosening the cover to prevent spills onto painted surfaces (glycol-based fluids damage paint).
3. Determine what type of fluid is currently in the system, it may have been changed from the factory specification.
4. If glycol-based brake fluid is spilled on paint, do not use a pressure hose to spray it off, as the paint will have softened. Use soapy water, rinse thoroughly and let it air dry.
5. If you suspect that different types of brake fluids were mixed together in the system...you should completely rebuild it, using all new rubber parts, as contamination goes deep into the old parts.
These are just a few precautions you should take when working with brake fluids. If you should have any other questions...Stop by the shop and we'll be happy to answer them for you.

DOT 5.1 ...LIKE TO SHOOT THE DUMBASS THAT CAME UP WITH 5.1 brake fluid is a low-viscosity, high-temperature fluid compatible with DOT 4 and DOT 3. Its low viscosity makes it ideally suited for ABS systems, where it helps the system modulate the braking pressure more easily. Its higher wet and dry boiling points should make it more resistant to brake fade under heavy use. I have had no problems with the braking system since installing this fluid.

DOT 5 and DOT 5.1 are very different standards, confusingly named by the US Department Of Transportation. Of the two, only DOT 5.1 is compatible with DOT 4. Do not use DOT 5 fluid unless you have a good reason and know how to purge the system of all DOT 4 fluid before hand (this usually requires complete dismantling of the braking system and cleaning of the individual components with a suitable solvent). Mixing DOT 5 fluid with any traces of DOT 4 will form precipitants that will clog the braking system.
 

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Take a sniff

The glycol fluid has a distinctive pungent smell, while the silicone has less of an odor to it.
Regarding this caution:
Do not use DOT 5 fluid unless you have a good reason and know how to purge the system of all DOT 4 fluid before hand (this usually requires complete dismantling of the braking system and cleaning of the individual components with a suitable solvent). Mixing DOT 5 fluid with any traces of DOT 4 will form precipitants that will clog the braking system.
On my 73 shovel I converted to chrome handlebar controls 20 years ago, the chrome master cylinder stated Dot 5 only, I simply bled out the Dot 3 thoroughly....no dis-assembly, filled with Dot5 and bled the system well.
When it came time to rebuild the rear brakes on the same bike, the rear master cylinder was to bad to rebuild and, yep....the replacement took Dot 5. Same deal, purged out the Dot 3, put in Dot 5 and bled it well. I'm still running the old banana calipers that used Dot 3, now doing fine on Dot 5.
As they say, you results may vary. Change the fluid (Dot 5), enjoy your ride.
 

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Take a small container and fill it with a bit of water. Add some of the brake fluid from your master cylinder and stir it up. Let it settle for a while. If the brake fluid seperates from the water, you have Dot 5 fluid in your bike, if not Dot 4.
 

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Just my opinion, but I sure wouldn't even consider switching over to DOT 4. DOT 5 will work fine. It's been in use for years without any bad effects. Doesn't hurt to pull the old stuff out thru the bleeder nipple while adding new every 2-3 years. I know guys with HD's that are 25-30 years old still using original brake fluid.

And, as mentioned, the purple color will change with use.
 

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I really don't want to switch from 5 to 4. I just want to flush the system because it really is dark and dirty. I have a vacuum bleeder and I do my cars every few years. I just was not sure what is in the bike. I know it came from the factory with dot 5 but i don't know if the last guy ever did anything with it.
 
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