Just ran into a guy with a 100th anniv. version last weekend. This was the first V-Rod I have heard with the factory original pipes (mine had the SE's from day one) and OUCH! I can see what all the complaining is about. I had no Idea they were that silent. Silent is a much better description than quiet. My SE's have been getting progressivly deeper and louder as I rack up the miles (3700 so far) and I am very satisfied with them. I wouldn't even think about aftermarkets with all of the reported performance issues.