not intending to start an argument but a little fyi, the s&s unit has wideband o2 and can learn and adjust pretty well. i wouldn;t pay the grand for it, but it is a very good system and like the thundermax, you get an ecm to boot. good to havea spare when you fry one or to reinstall stock one for the dealer that may argue warranty.JamieWG said:Frank, I'm just a shade tree mechanic, so take anything I say with a grain of salt... I've got an '06 EFI DWG and I'm buying a SERT. From looking at the S&S unit, it looks like something to be used on a custom build or maybe someone wanting to upgrade from a carb to an EFI system. As for HDs already equipped with EFI, the SERT does just about everything you could want and you get to keep your stock module (and warranty!). You can adjust fuel mixture, timing, etc.. you can record spark knock retardation, temp, and just about everything else. I don't see any advantage to swapping everything out for S&S stuff. The o2 sensors are nice, but the range of automatic adjustment they provide is very limited. In a perfect world, we would have an EFI system with o2 sensors that would automatically and perfectly tune the bike for any mods you made.... but with the EPA that will never happen. So we get stuck with narrow range sensors and lean factory mapping. Get a SERT and you'll be good to go. Have you read the 126 page manual for the sert? Check it out and you'll see how powerful the sert is ... http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/HDtechtips/racetuner.pdf
So why don't you start a thread spelling out exactly what your problem is with using a SERT and why you hate it so much. Give us something real we can use ! Tell use why the SERT sucks so much IN YOUR OPINION. Give real world examples and produce some facts. Back up your statements with something other than "better than a sert".claydbal said:better than sert!
There is no perceived power. I don't go around banning anyone based on opinion, sexual preference, nationality or any other reason other than not following the rules of the forum. I am not sure what the hair is you have across your ass but if you want to discuss it further feel free to PM me. I have had recent discussions with him regarding the SERT and he is very negative about it. I am asking him for some clarification. I am not baiting anyone. And he doesn't even have to respond to my post if he doesn't want to. I have not threatened to ban anyone and certainly not him for his obvious dislike of the SERT. I am not easily offended and your post last night in the other thread was uncalled for but I choose not to respond because no good will come of it. You will find other technical discussions that I have been a part of where I have disagreed with other members of the forum and have NEVER banned (or threatened to ban) anyone for their views or opinions on those subjects. If you want to follow me into every thread and post your opinion feel free to do so, I am sure others will see right through that.RideMyWideGlide said:It seems that if he starts throwing his opinion into it, you'll be offended and probably ban him..
I think that you should re-read your post and see just how it sounds.
IMO, unwarranted, badgering, and baiting for an argument that you can threaten a ban for.. A little Troll-ing maybe?
Be an admin, don't let the perceived power go to your head.
Brad
my problem with sert is simple. while it is a great tuning tool, there are other tuning tools also.springer- said:So why don't you start a thread spelling out exactly what your problem is with using a SERT and why you hate it so much. Give us something real we can use ! Tell use why the SERT sucks so much IN YOUR OPINION. Give real world examples and produce some facts. Back up your statements with something other than "better than a sert".
IMO, There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH THE STOCK ECM AND USING A SERT TO TUNE IT. I agree with Chuck 100%
sert- screamin eagle RACE tuner. can be denied warranty because it is listed as off road.the factory ecm also logs data that can be used against you. although your deler may say they will provide warranty, what happens if it braks on a ride and is towed to another dealer.harley has the ability to connect a laptop and send via internet your logs to warranty claims department----------------------think about that----------proprietary in every sense!!RideMyWideGlide said:I for one am interested in the pros/cons of others.. Having not done a whole lot of research, I have been eyeing serts on ebay for my bike. Did not know that it would cause warranty issues. This makes me hesitant as my dealer has already shown a lack of warranty backing on mine.
Please, more details.... :dunno:
claydbal said:sert- screamin eagle RACE tuner. can be denied warranty because it is listed as off road.the factory ecm also logs data that can be used against you. although your deler may say they will provide warranty, what happens if it braks on a ride and is towed to another dealer.harley has the ability to connect a laptop and send via internet your logs to warranty claims department----------------------think about that----------proprietary in every sense!!