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A local freeway here in Phoenix just installed several of the cameras along the freeway. According to the news just a few minutes ago, they have snap over 1200 pictures of speeding vehicles. Now they failed to say about the amount of accidents these flashing cameras have caused. They have a very bright flash , people are mashing the brake and getting rear ended. :mad:

AS well as the city of scottsdael was upset that the program went way over budget so I am thinking that they are looking to recoup that money and then some. I am not really with the idea of the camera thing, I think a plate cover is in my future. Fair enough if I get pulled over by a officer but the camera thing bugges me.

I have a buddy that got his picture taken with thw mobil van speed trap. And they matched his face to his DMV picture. I thought that was BS until he told me that his plate had falled off his sporty a week ago and the date on the picture was after that!!! Maybe a full face is a good investment!!!

SOOOO what do others think abiout the cameras??
 

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I am not sure how I feel about photo rader, but I'm all for the red light cameras. Photo rader seems a extreme, especially if traffic is moving above the posted speed. I can see this causing some accidents with people slamming on thier brakes.
 

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I guess permanently mounted cameras could be a good thing, but only if they don't create a hazardous driving situation. Hopefully, they would free up the cops to do other more important duties like arresting real criminals. I don't see the cameras being a big deal for the people that live in the area cause they will know about the cameras and should have enough sense to slow down. The mobile camera could be a little more tricky.
 

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I predict that someone will start an anti-photo radar group. It will be non-profit, but charge $10 for membership. The guy who starts it will pay himself a big salary and they'll all vote for any politician who promises to get rid of the cameras.
 

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HDWRENCH said:
A local freeway here in Phoenix just installed several of the cameras along the freeway. According to the news just a few minutes ago, they have snap over 1200 pictures of speeding vehicles. Now they failed to say about the amount of accidents these flashing cameras have caused. They have a very bright flash , people are mashing the brake and getting rear ended. :mad:

AS well as the city of scottsdael was upset that the program went way over budget so I am thinking that they are looking to recoup that money and then some. I am not really with the idea of the camera thing, I think a plate cover is in my future. Fair enough if I get pulled over by a officer but the camera thing bugges me.

I have a buddy that got his picture taken with thw mobil van speed trap. And they matched his face to his DMV picture. I thought that was BS until he told me that his plate had falled off his sporty a week ago and the date on the picture was after that!!! Maybe a full face is a good investment!!!

SOOOO what do others think about the cameras??
I think big brother is watching us. I have seen in some car mags about a clear cover that from the ground you can read but from camera level it blocks the plate numbers. :yes: Then there is also a radar (and possibly laser) signal scrambler that are available for cars. :clap: We have the cameras all set up here in the Detroit area but so far they have not used them for anything but traffic reports of accidents. But just give them time. Michigan isn't doing so well and the State will be needing to raise some funds so once that happens I think the cameras will find other uses. :gun:
 

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The reason there may be accidents when people see the flash is because people don't know how to drive in this country. Sad but true. Germany has used the camera for years, I've got flashed 3 times myself when I lived there. Never saw an accident because of a flash.
 

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HDWRENCH said:
...people are mashing the brake and getting rear ended....

Is this because they are flying and realize they are busted or because the very bright flash of the camera is blinding them?
 

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I like the idea of them at an intersection catching people running red lights.

For general use as revenue tool, I am completely opposed too.

Hopefully they are using them to analyze traffic flows and patterns to come up with better management to make the commute in the larger cities more tolerable.
 

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If the parameters are maintained, posted and not fiddled with to increase revenue {as in Ventura, Ca} I'm for them.

It should be set up for TAILGATERS also...
 

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After living in Illinois (toll road cameras) and riding around Indiana and Michigan quite a bit and understanding they have some cameras in use there, I use this stuff faithfully......on all my vehicles. And will continue to do so now that I'm back home in Texas because I understand they are talking about using 'em in the Dallas/FtWorth and Houston areas.

I picked up a couple cans off eBay for a fair price.

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I want a radar/laser flamethrower for the back of my bike. If they get to close let them deal with that flash.
 

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Fyi

One of our local news stations (or was it the Today Show?), during the summer, did a test on blocking traffic photos from capturing license plates.
The plastic covers work, but are prohibited by law
The sprays are not prohibited, but they also don't work ^rolleyez^​
 

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Got Ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was in Australia going up the A1 in November when I passed this van broke down on the side of the road. Then a few minutes latter an oncoming police car comes into view. I see him making a u-turn in my mirror and soon his lights are on. He greats me with a smile and lets me know the picture from the van says I'm 30 KPH over when I passes the van. I knew he was right so what could I say. :whistle: Cost $ 350 for that one.

Latter I watched a couple of TV programs regarding the infamous camera in the van tickets. It seems that a number of Australian courts have thrown out the cases after the radar detection unit was proven in error. I don't have all the facts or data that goes along with the program. But it left me wondering just how fast I was going. I know I was over but I'm not convinced it was by as much as the camera indicated.

Earlier last year I was on a lot of highways in South Korea. Overhead cameras seemed to be every few miles. You could watch the traffic speed up and down by 20 KPH. It was sort of a synchronized speed adjustment. I learned latter that only a few of the cameras were actually cameras. Most were dummies to slow down traffic; effective and no chance of being thrown out of court.

Overall I believe they are a reasonable way to say Got YA with technology. There just needs to be some way of insuring the units are calibrated. It just seems very tempting for a safety issue to become a revenue maker by so many municipalities or states.
 

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I hear that a .22 will calibrate both a camera and radar.
 

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A few towns away from me has photo radar setup at the base of a hill with at 25mph speed limit. I smile whenever I pass thur since NJ has a front plate, they take the picture head on to get the plate and face
 

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The red light cameras are a scam and it has been shown as such by more than a few studies. In order to make the numbers work for revenue to the vendor they have to shorten up the yellow light by a few seconds to "catch" a certain number of runners. It has been shown that if the yellow is lengthened by a few seconds red light running decreases. Also there is a tradeoff in accidents, instead of t'bone accidents from running reds you'll get an increase of rear enders from people that are behind the red light stopper. I've read studies that show an increase in the accident rate at red light camera sites from this problem.

If people are so worried about being safe and are willing to have cameras recording their every move they deserve to be caught by these Orwellian schemes. I like what I've been reading about Britian, they have speed cameras and then have to have cameras watching the speed cameras due to vandalism and now the cameras that watch the speed cameras are being vandalised so they are starting to install a 3rd set of cameras to watch the second set, due to vandalism. :thumbsup:
 

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The red light cameras are a scam and it has been shown as such by more than a few studies. In order to make the numbers work for revenue to the vendor they have to shorten up the yellow light by a few seconds to "catch" a certain number of runners. It has been shown that if the yellow is lengthened by a few seconds red light running decreases. Also there is a tradeoff in accidents, instead of t'bone accidents from running reds you'll get an increase of rear enders from people that are behind the red light stopper. I've read studies that show an increase in the accident rate at red light camera sites from this problem.

If people are so worried about being safe and are willing to have cameras recording their every move they deserve to be caught by these Orwellian schemes. I like what I've been reading about Britian, they have speed cameras and then have to have cameras watching the speed cameras due to vandalism and now the cameras that watch the speed cameras are being vandalised so they are starting to install a 3rd set of cameras to watch the second set, due to vandalism. :thumbsup:
Start at the back and work your way forward with the .22
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