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The retired Genralmente:laugh: stating a few points I agree with!


Sanchez, former U.S. commander in Iraq, calls war 'a nightmare with no end in sight'
By Jeff Schogol, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Saturday, October 13, 2007



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Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, V Corps Commanding General, at a welcoming ceremony for soldiers of the 1st Armored Division at their base in Wiesbaden, Germany, in October, 2004.


ARLINGTON, Va. – The former top commander of U.S. troops in Iraq slammed the handling of the war and gave a bleak assessment of the current situation in Iraq.

“There is no question that America is living a nightmare with no end in sight,” retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez told a convention of military journalists on Friday.

Sanchez commanded U.S. troops in Iraq from June 2003 to July 2004. His controversial tenure saw the capture of Saddam Hussein and the handover of sovereignty to the Iraqi government, but also the rise of the insurgency and the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

While cleared of any wrongdoing, one report found that Sanchez and his deputy, "failed to ensure proper staff oversight of detention and interrogation operations."

Abu Ghraib was a sore subject Friday for Sanchez, who lambasted the media for using phrases like "dictatorial and somewhat dense," "liar" and "torturer" to describe him.

"I also refused to talk to the European Stars and Stripes for the last two years of my command in Germany, for their extreme bias and single-minded focus on Abu Ghraib," he said.

But Sanchez reserved most of his venom Friday for U.S. officials, saying the U.S. government still has not brought all the resources needed to win in Iraq.

“From a catastrophically flawed, unrealistically optimistic war plan, to the administration’s latest surge strategy, this administration has failed to employ and synchronize the political, economic and military power,” Sanchez said.

Continuing changes to military strategy alone will not achieve victory, rather it will only “stave off defeat,” he said.

“The administration, Congress and the entire inter-agency, especially the State Department, must shoulder the responsibility for this catastrophic failure and the American people must hold them accountable.”

Even now, the U.S. government has yet to launch a concerted effort to come up with a strategy to win in Iraq, Sanchez said. Such a strategy should involve political reconciliation among Iraqis, building up the Iraqi security forces and getting Iraq’s regional partners.

Sanchez acknowledged that U.S. officials have adopted that idea, but added that they do not have the necessary nonmilitary resources to carry it out.

“And it is not synchronized, and there is no enforcement of the strategy,” he said.

Sanchez said he realized there were serious challenges to the U.S. military’s strategy in Iraq as soon as he became the top military commander in Iraq.

Asked why he did not speak out about his concerns, Sanchez said general officers take an oath to carry out the orders of the president while in uniform.

“The last thing that America wants, the last thing that you want, is for currently serving general officers to stand up against our political leadership,” he said.

However, general officers do have the option of stepping down if they disagree with the country's leaders.

Sanchez said he felt he could not resign and go public with his reservations while he was in Iraq, because he feared that move could further jeopardize troops serving there.

“I think once you are retired, you have a responsibility to the nation, to your oath, to the country, to state your opinion,” he said.:hmmm:
 

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This is the same LTG (Ret) Sanchez who shares responsibility in how the war was fought? He may make some good/valid points but his attempt to say everyone else around him was wrong and he always knew what needed to be done is laughable.

I have several friends who served under him and their assessment is always the same-- he's a pompous a$$.
 

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I'm pretty sure a lot of Generals are pompous. But seriously, one of the thoughts that I kept reading/hearing all through this mess is that the CIA and Military had to tell our illustrious triumverate what they wanted to hear and not necessarily like how it really was. Could be why all these retirees are now free to speak up.
 

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Fred1369 said:
I'm pretty sure a lot of Generals are pompous. But seriously, one of the thoughts that I kept reading/hearing all through this mess is that the CIA and Military had to tell our illustrious triumverate what they wanted to hear and not necessarily like how it really was.
I think that is the case with anyone currently serving. HiAngle is trying to get promoted. :laugh:
 

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he will be discredited

Just like all the other Generals who have spoken out after their retirement Sanchez will be joining the ranks of those who have been discredited.
 

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Fred1369 said:
I'm pretty sure a lot of Generals are pompous. But seriously, one of the thoughts that I kept reading/hearing all through this mess is that the CIA and Military had to tell our illustrious triumverate what they wanted to hear and not necessarily like how it really was. Could be why all these retirees are now free to speak up.

Well Fred, then he should also state that it was his personal decision to not provide candid advice/recommendations and because of that he helped perpetuate everything going wrong. To just sit back and say, "you're all screwed up and I knew it all along", is weak. As I said, he makes a lot of good points, but his hands aren't clean.

Let's not forget, this guy is pissed about not being promoted to 4-star.
 

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Not in the article provided but he also stated, in his remarks, that one of the major reasons for failure in Iraq is the lack of America's moral courage. So I guess if you advocate a withdrawal, then he thinks you're also part of the problem.
 

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big ditto

HiAngle said:
Well Fred, then he should also state that it was his personal decision to not provide candid advice/recommendations and because of that he helped perpetuate everything going wrong. To just sit back and say, "you're all screwed up and I knew it all along", is weak. As I said, he makes a lot of good points, but his hands aren't clean.

Let's not forget, this guy is pissed about not being promoted to 4-star.
as one that thought he was going to win Viet Nam in his F-4, I will state that war is hell (I know it's a cliché) and another cliché from ME "war is way more complicated than Washington or the Press care to understand." Things, even well thought out things just don't work out the way you often plan.
 

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as one that thought he was going to win Viet Nam in his F-4, I will state that war is hell (I know it's a cliché) and another cliché from ME "war is way more complicated than Washington or the Press care to understand." Things, even well thought out things just don't work out the way you often plan.
When I first got over to Afghanistan I was a Fire Support Officer (FSO) at the division-level (being on a division staff sucks by the way). In addition to all of the air strikes we did, I also had to plan all of our electronic warfare activities- mostly with the EA-6B Prowler and EC-130. We had a retired Air Force Major who was "supposed" to be our Electrponic Warfare Officer (EWO)- he had been called back to active duty for a 120-day deployment to Afghanistan. Well his call sign was "Mars" and it was appropriate because he was out there-- way out there. But when I first met him I knew he had been out of the AF for a while because his name tag patch had an F-4 on it. I immediately recognized the aircraft and how long it had been since we used them so I asked, "Mars was the F-4 the first or last aircraft you were in". His response, "the last". Needless to say, my EWO learning curve was very, very steep.
 

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HiAngle said:
I immediately recognized the aircraft and how long it had been since we used them so I asked, "Mars was the F-4 the first or last aircraft you were in". His response, "the last". Needless to say, my EWO learning curve was very, very steep.
Unless he was a Weasel back-seater, he probably wasn't really an EWO, but a WSO (weapon systems officer).
 

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Unless he was a Weasel back-seater, he probably wasn't really an EWO, but a WSO (weapon systems officer).
Yeah, I should have articulated that. He was holding the EWO billet, but was a WSO in his former life. Either way he had been out far too long to comprehend the battle command systems we use today. But I do know this, as an artilleryman, I clearly had no training in frequency management. I can target "stuff" all day but I was initially sucking wind trying to figure out all of the graduate level EWO things I needed to know/learn.
 
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