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This weeked there was a custon M/C show at the Queen Mary in Long Beach (Ca.). The SO and I dropped by late this afternoon, about 3::00. The gates had been closed for about a couple hours, we were told, because members of one of the"gangs had showed up; apperntly about 200 or so. I was told they were turned away with no problems, but that they then closed admission to everyone for a period of time. The gates were opended just after we got there and when going in, I noticed 20 or of local police. A couple of them very politely told the two gwnlemen in fron of us they could not enter "patched". Either they could leave the jackets outside (presumably on their bikes) on not come in. The guys took it well and decided to leave. I wonder if this is a new approach, I've not noticed it before? Anyone else there with better info?

btw, these particular patches said something like "bikers for Christ".

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Guess they want to nip it all in the bud. If they say, "No Patches", then I guess it will rule out all M/C clubs. Either come unaffiliated, or don't come at all.

If they start doing this everywhere, what are they going to do about H/D's patch holders? (HOG Chapters)? That's a form of a patch??
 

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dprice said:


If they start doing this everywhere, what are they going to do about H/D's patch holders? (HOG Chapters)? That's a form of a patch??

If they are picking 3 piece patch holders, then the HOG boys and girls don't have to worry about it. No Bottom Rocker.
 

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Hey folks,

I just had the same thing happen to me at the Indian Casino here in So. Cal. They told me I had to remove my vest to come in, and I only had on my HOG patch. They did tell me that they realize its the HOG patch, but they where having everybody not just certain groups remove there colors. It didn't bother me and I understand the reasoning( I was in Laughlin).
 

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Yea and some places have folks that are not so scared.


Gunnison prepares for Hells Angels as club sinks roots into Colorado

ByNancy Lofholm
Denver Post Western Slope Bureau
Nancy Lofholm, Denver Post Western Slope Bureau

Monday, July 22, 2002 - Hells Angels thunder into Gunnison this week, some of the bikers' leather vests will have "Colorado" patches sewn under the club's familiar death's-head logo for the first time.

Those red-and-white embroidered patches - or "rockers," as the riders call them - mean that once the Hells Angels' USA Run ends in Gunnison next weekend and the bikers roar on to the annual motorcycle rally at Sturgis, S.D., Colorado will not be finished with the group.

In fact, this is just the beginning.

In a California ceremony last weekend, the notorious motorcycle club initiated the club's first full-fledged - or "patched" - members from Colorado. Chris Schaeffer, a Colorado State Patrol detective who investigates motorcycle gangs, said more than a dozen members of the Brothers Fast, a Denver-based motorcycle club, were inducted into the Hells Angels after being tapped as prospective members a year ago. They now represent the first

Colorado chapter of the Hells Angels. That "rocker" on the lower backs of their vests declares that status.

Schaeffer said that now that Colorado has an official chapter, more Hells Angels will come. And more will be recruited. The Hells Angels are already associating with another Colorado club, the Grand Junction-based Red Devils.

"I think Colorado will eventually be one of the largest chapters in the country, maybe even in the world," Schaeffer said.

Colorado will also have the potentially volatile distinction of being home to four of the six major motorcycle gangs in the country: the Sons of Silence, the Bandits and the Mongols all have Colorado chapters. The other two major clubs, the Pagans and the Outlaws, are based on the East Coast.

Schaeffer said the Hells Angels are drawn to Colorado for the same reason many other newcomers are: the mountain scenery and the rugged-West image.

That is part of the reason the Hells Angels picked Gunnison, a town close to Black Canyon of the Gunnison National Park. They also pick locations central to the East and West Coast chapters, according to Hells Angels' leader Sonny Barger in his book "Hell's Angel."

The Gunnison gathering that begins Wednesday will be the largest strictly Hells Angels get-together in the United States this year - a fact that has shaken this normally unruffled ranching town.

When the Hells Angels held an annual run in Steamboat Springs six years ago, several residents who tried to associate with the club were beaten. A shooting between Hells Angels left one member dead and another wounded. Other annual gatherings, including last year's in Branson, Mo., have been relatively peaceful.

Gunnison has been preparing for the Hells Angels for six months. And as the event draws closer, the jitters are easing.

"We hope this will be the biggest nonevent we've ever had here," said Gunnison Police Chief Jim Keehne, who has spent 300 hours and $30,000 preparing for the Hells Angels' visit. "The Hells Angels just want to be left alone and do their thing. They want to come in here, conduct their business and be on their way," he said.

Keehne said recent phone calls from Hells Angels from the Washington state chapter helped defuse the tension.

"That was the best thing that could have happened," Keehne said. "They wanted to make sure we are not starting off in an adversarial relationship."

A Hells Angels member from the Cave Creek, Ariz., chapter, who would only identify himself as "Hoover," said lingering fears that Hells Angels might swarm into Gunnison and unleash five days of terror are unfounded.

"I'm telling you straight up," Hoover said, "we're not going to cause problems. We're going up there so we can get away from our problems. After it's all over those people will find they worked themselves into a frenzy for nothing."

The State Patrol's Schaeffer isn't in a frenzy, but he'll be wary as one of 150 law enforcement officers from more than 30 agencies around the state who will be helping to police the Gunnison rally.

"They don't have any respect for anyone but themselves," Schaeffer said.

He and other law enforcement members say they also no longer have concerns that Gunnison might be host to a biker gang war.

This spring, after clean-cut representatives of the Hells Angels booked hotels in Gunnison for a meeting of "motorcycle enthusiasts," the anxiety level shot up because of an apparent gang war between the Hells Angels and rival biker clubs. There was fear that violence could erupt in Gunnison as it did in Laughlin, Nev., in April. Three bikers died there, and a dozen people, including bystanders, were injured.

Geography helped allay Gunnison's fears. No other group could ride into Gunnison without broadcasting their presence far from Gunnison, a town with two highways leading in and out, Keehne said.

Some business people around Gunnison are beginning to look at the Hells Angels in terms of dollar signs as well as death's-heads.

Scott Frazier, owner of the Columbine Victorian Hotel, which has been booked solid this week by the Hells Angels, said he's not worried. "They are just like other customers. . . . They want to fax registration information so they don't have to wait."

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So while Palm Springs cowers at the thought of "Harley Riders"

:eek:

This small town in Co is selling Hotel Rooms to THE Club. I say GOOD for Colorado helping keep America FREE.
 

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This is not a new concept. Those of you who have tipped them back at the Boot Hill Saloon in Daytona know that "no colors" means everyone, including HOG patches and even the Christian Motorcyclist Association patches. Obviously, its aimed at the Outlaws and other 1% clubs, but fair is fair.
 

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There's about five lawsuits in NorCal against businesses that prohibit entry by members wearing colors. I know there was also a big legal battle in Nevada (last year?) started by a couple of club members who were thrown out of a Reno (?) courthouse because they wouldn't take their vests off. Not sure how that turned out but it seems to be discrimination to me....
 

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JimmyK, weren't the only ones injured at Laughlin patch holders? (Other than a few who $hit their pants)

There were no reports of anyone being hurt other than the folks directly involved. It's like any two men getting into a fight is all. It was their own affair.

On the one hand we have our Government telling us that it is wrong to discriminate against all Muslims simply because a few are extremeists. Then the same Government lables all Patch Holders based on the actions of a few. That is crap.

Then from there you got Morons like those in Palm Springs that take it a step further and label all Harley Riders.

So where does it stop?
 

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fastlane304 said:
WE EXCHANGE ANYTHING - BICYCLES, WASHING MACHINES, ETC. WHY NOT BRING YOUR WIFE ALONG AND GET A WONDERFUL BARGAIN?

Can we dickher on the price?

Sure, we'll dick her first and then we can open negotiations. :D
 

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Sure, we'll dick her first and then we can open negotiations. :D
I prefer to liquer in the front and polka in the rear!:D
 

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Jimmy K, you indicate that the altercation in Laughlin was "like any two men getting in a fight is all". imho that comment is so full of **** I can't believe you said it. If you really don't see any big deal about several assholes pulling guns and shooting wildly in a public place you need help. Its not just like two guys getting in a fight, it several totally fucked up irresponsible assholes who should all be locked up! You can candy coat it or talk about freedom or spin it anyway you want, those guys are criminals and its too bad I (and many of you ) are associated with them.
 

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I can back the feelings of discrimination, but I can't support thier actions(the shootings that is).

It is usually the 1%, just remember that. 1% of the SUV drivers are dangerous, the rest just have other issue's :D
 

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Jimmy K, you indicate that the altercation in Laughlin was "like any two men getting in a fight is all". imho that comment is so full of **** I can't believe you said it. If you really don't see any big deal about several assholes pulling guns and shooting wildly in a public place you need help. Its not just like two guys getting in a fight, it several totally fucked up irresponsible assholes who should all be locked up! You can candy coat it or talk about freedom or spin it anyway you want, those guys are criminals and its too bad I (and many of you ) are associated with them.

Gosh thanks for your input. The only reason you can't believe I said it is because you don't know me.

Now had this been a CPA Convention, and about ten of them got in a fight and started shooting around all the CPA's diving for cover, would that make all the folks in YOUR profession criminals, or is that limited to April 15th?

While it may be true that the folks involved should be locked up, but if your statement is about all patch holders, then you are full of crap.

I would like to know in what way you think you are "Associated" with them. What,..? do you do their Taxes?

Now I may well be "Associated" through PERSONAL Friendships I have with many of them. You on the other hand no doubt rely on CNN to tell you who is good and who is bad.

All that is fine by me and you have that right, but I would like to reiterate that you don't know me so you should not be so surprised at my statement, which I stand on as written.

Thanks
 

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Jimmy K, your thread referred to the guys directly involved, and my remarks were directed at them.I'm was not referring to all "patch Holders".
I know a guy whose wife was killed by poorly aimed gang fired in west LA. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Most people didn't view it as just a couple of real mem "mano y mano". If the crips want to have a convention in my town I would probably not support it, and some might think I was lame, a coward, racist, or whatever. otoh, I'm not against postal workers and they seem to shoot people all the time. I see a significant difference, and perhaps you really don't, that's certainly ok.
 

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"Jimmy K, your thread referred to the guys directly involved, and my remarks were directed at them.I'm was not referring to all "patch Holders".


Perhaps due to us speaking on a keyboard, there has been some sort of misunderstanding. That in part may be my fault. With that in mind, and to clarify.

RE: "There were no reports of anyone being hurt other than the folks directly involved. It's like any two men getting into a fight is all. It was their own affair."

I was hoping to have made myself clear. When I said It was their own affair, I meant that they alone are responsible. Their actions should not be such as to hold all Patch Holder responsible, nor should their actions be used as an excuse to blame ALL BIKERS. This is why I closed with..

"...Then from there you got Morons like those in Palm Springs that take it a step further and label all Harley Riders."

No Where did I condone the actions. No where did I imply, like you stated,..... "If you really don't see any big deal about several assholes pulling guns and shooting wildly in a public place you need help..."


I suppose that statement is the one that chapped my ass with you some because I never said it was "..no big deal.."

Feel free to quote me and take exception with anything I say. That is cool and I am known for respecting someones rights to disagree with me on ANY issue. But don't take exception to something I did NOT say and make it appear as if I did. That sure as hell sounds fair to me, how bout you?
 

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Jimmk K, thx for the reply, I did misunderstand what you meant. Sorry to get so charged up, I think its because I count beans all day (thanks God for my Harley).

regards, greg
 
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