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Gotcha, I have already signed up for the Safety Course and I am waiting for an opening. I'm looking at probably September or October the earliest I can get in. The Safety Courses out here in California are really booked. Especially during the summer. So, I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that someone will drop out. So far no luck.
 

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Check with your local HOG chapter sometimes they have reserved slots for members. That is how I got in to the local classes
 

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MedicineWoman:

You might check other MSF courses a little farther away from your home. There is one in the Inland Empire that works out of the Honda Center in Colton that might have some openings if your local area is full. I know you'd like to be on your new bike sooner than the fall of the year!

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For the absolute novice...

There's no doubt in my mind that the MSF course is the best way to go, however... as many people have found out, these courses are often filled up months in advance, and its no fun watching your bike gathering dust all summer. So here is Drew's formula for getting on the road ASAP.

1) If you haven't done it already, get your motorcycle temporary permit. I personally feel that the state is doing you a favor by insisting on special licensing for motorcycles. There is some some good info to be learned while studying for the written part of the test.

2) If you have access to a bicycle, use it to briefly reacquaint yourself with life on two wheels. Steering a bicycle is no different from steering a motorcycle (i.e. countersteering etc.). It also teaches you the need to put a foot down when you come to a complete stop (even more important when you have 500 lbs of hot iron between your legs) and how to get the bike to lean the way you want it to.

3) Rent or borrow a motorscooter. These little <125 cc critters may not have clutches, but they do have right hand operated throttles and the brakes are often similar to those on bigger bikes. They are also good for teaching you the basics of making turns from a stop, leaning in curves etc., without having to worry about feathering the clutch, etc.

4) When you feel you are ready, have a rider friend take your bike to some deserted parking lot. You will want someplace big enough that you can get the bike out of first gear, so preferably a place that has at least a 150 yards of straight asphalt. Don't forget to wear helmet, jacket and gloves. Have your rider buddy talk you through the clutch release process. Don't worry about stalling the bike the first few (15 - 20) tries. You'll get the feel of the "friction point" and balancing the throttle roll-on with letting the clutch go. Also make sure you understand how to stop the bike without stalling (i.e. squeeze brakes AND the clutch). Its amazing how many amateur instructors manage to overlook this last part...

5) Once you've got the basics of getting rolling down, move on to turns. Before you leave the parking lot, you really need to be able to make a smooth right and left turn in a radius that is equal to or less than the width of your standard roadway lane... I'm sure you understand the importance of this.

6) Practice "Quick Stops". The standard for road tests used to be stopping a bike moving at 20 MPH in less than 23 feet. You might not want to go for this your first day out; but you should get comfortable with a giving the front brake handle a good firm squeeze, and how it makes the bike respond. Work up to the "firm squeeze" gradually. Its harder to lock up the front wheel on a bike than most non-riders think. The front brake does 70% of the stopping on a motorcycle. Use the rear brake in addition to the front - but think of it more as an "assistant" helping the front do its work.

7) One way to distinguish yourself from 90% of the rookie riders out there is to be able to stop the bike and only put one foot down (may I suggest the left one..). This means that as the bike comes to a stop it needs to lean just slightly in that direction as your take your foot off the peg and put it on the ground. Stay in the parking lot until you are confident you've mastered this skill. Getting the bike rolling again is much easier and safer if you've only got one foot on the ground. Also, don't forget that some roadways are sloped in such a way that you have to turn the bike slightly "uphill" in order to achieve the left lean.

8) Have your rider friend go through the proper parking procedure - bike level, both feet on the ground. Hit the kill switch. Extend the jiffy stand - make sure it is locked down. Rest the bike on the stand. Turn the handlebars fully to the left. Grip the front brake lever and swing your right leg over the saddle. If he/she is nice they'll also give you some parking tips... remember there is probably a reason you see cycles parked "ass in" to curbs. Have a discussion about parking surfaces and why you see so many flattened drink cans wherever bikers congregate (hint - its not because they are alcoholics or litterbugs). Also you should get comfortable using your reverse gear - and as I see you have wisely elected not to make a Honda Goldwing for your first ride, this means paddling the bike backwards with your legs. Practice making tight turns while paddling the bike backwards.

9) Once you've mastered the above procedures its probably time to "get out on the highway." Although you don't want to be "looking for adventure" at this point. Whats the best environment to practice street riding? I wouldn't recommend quiet subdivision streets - although there is little traffic on these roads, they often have kids and dogs that do unpredictable things - the last thing a new rider needs to contend with. For obvious reasons the freeway is also a poor choice. Ideally you want semi-rural secondary roads. Agricultural areas have less driveways and traffic than strip malls and residential neighborhoods. Sunday mornings in industrial parks can be pretty good as well.

10) One of the most important things to do is to gradually build your confidence level. I've outlined some basic skills you need to develop, and trust me, you definitely CAN do all the things I've listed. But its best to take on one challenge at a time. The confidence you will build as you master each task will only help as you move on to the next one. Getting on a motorcycle can seem daunting at first, but don't forget that there are plenty of very skilled motorcycle riders out there who ain't exactly rocket scientists or brain surgeons.

11) Lastly, if you do manage to get out on the road, and even if you pass your motorcycle road test; still sign up for and take the MSF course. Its well worth the time and money; and can only help to further increase your enjoyment of motorcyling.
 

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medlady, I rode years ago and came back to it this year. I also took the MSF course this May and certainly learned alot. VRodDrew just went over pretty much the course and it also served to remind me of some of the info I learned there. BTW, Myself and another "returnee" were both called with an earlier date due to a cancellation. Both were called the day before so we had to scramble to rearrange our schedules. Good luck.
 

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Vroddrew - you are one awesome dude. Thanks for the wealth of information. I do have a learners permit to ride and am going to follow all your instructions till I can get into a class. I have some parking lot experience. But wow I just feel like a left a motorcycle class. Thanks again. I'm going to forward this information on to alot of other women bikers I have met on the internet via e-mail who are just beginning to learn. You are GRREAAATT.........

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There are some great books out there with a lot of information on riding techniques, etc. I recently purchased a video by Jerry "MotorMan" Paladino who writes for Full Throttle in Florida. I have thirty years of riding experience and I learned a few new tricks from this. It is mostly about making short radius turns and throttle and rear brake control.
 

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Funny, yesterday I really became aware of that left foot down at a stop. Never paid much attention to it until then! Without reading them all again, I would like to make a suggestion also and hope it was'nt mentioned before. When waiting at a traffic light, always keep either your foot on the brake pedal or your hand on the brake grip. This will keep your brake light on and increase oncoming traffic biker awareness.:D
 

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Re: For the absolute novice...

VRodDrew said:
7) One way to distinguish yourself from 90% of the rookie riders out there is to be able to stop the bike and only put one foot down (may I suggest the left one..). This means that as the bike comes to a stop it needs to lean just slightly in that direction as your take your foot off the peg and put it on the ground. Stay in the parking lot until you are confident you've mastered this skill. Getting the bike rolling again is much easier and safer if you've only got one foot on the ground. Also, don't forget that some roadways are sloped in such a way that you have to turn the bike slightly "uphill" in order to achieve the left lean.
Is this what they teach you in that class? Not trying to be a smart-ass but I don't think it is true that getting the bike rolling again is much easier and safer if you've only got one foot on the ground. I can do it and I don't think it is difficult. Seriously I'm not being sarcastic either but I don't see why puting both feet down is unsafe or how it could be any harder to take off.

I think it shows some skill balancing the bike and could be a good confidence booster but that is all. When I come to a stop I usually like to stretch my legs or stand up for a brief second just to give my legs a break from staying on the pegs plus I can stretch my back, so 90 percent of the time both feet go on the ground.
 

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Smokey, I took the MSF class last weekend and they taught us to leave the right foot on the brake and put the left foot down. A main reason is so that your brake light is still on. After you're safely stopped there doesn't seam to be any reason why you cannot put both feet on the ground. Taking off with both feet on the ground actually seams a little easier (for a newbie) because you will have a little more balance
 

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Ok I believe you then. It just seems odd. I mean it seems safer to put both feet down at all times when you can. I understand the brake light theory but the front brake control could do that. Like I said I can do it either way and a lot of times if it is a 4 way stop and no traffic I never put any feet down and can still come to a complete stop. It's only a half second stop but it's still legal. The reason I am even concerned with this is because I am getting ready to try and teach my OL and I don't want to give bad advice and I still am going to have trouble telling her she should try to stop and only put one foot down all the time.
 

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You put your left foot in.. you put your left foot out..

To clarify the left foot only thing...

Obviously its fine to put both feet on the ground at a stop. Its nice to be able to stretch your legs, share the load with your right leg etc. I do it all the time, and so does every rider I know.

There are several reasons for the left leg only thing:

1) By using the rear brake to slow the bike from 1/2 mph down to a full stop, you don't get that disconcerting "dive" as the front shocks compress.

2) If the stop is on an incline, you can use the rear brake to hold the bike from rolling backwards as you roll on the throttle and ease off the clutch. Similar in concept to using the parking brake on a manual transmission car to stop the car from rolling backwards when starting on a hill.

3) Assuming that your left hand is keeping the clutch in, you can use you right hand to adjust your glasses, zip your jacket, light your smoke, caress your passenger's thigh, etc., while still keeping the brake light lit and the bike held in position with your right foot on the brake pedal.

4) When you want to get rolling again it is simply much easier if you've only got to retract one leg. With two feet down you either bring them both up at the exact moment that movement starts, or you end up with one foot dragging on the ground at the precise time the bike is gathering speed.

5) Ditto with stopping: with both feet extended one foot is going to touch the ground before the other. If the bike isn't completely stopped when this happens, its going to push the bike towards the other side and you'll end up with a dab..dab.. dab stop.

6) Riders with shorter inseams may not be able to put both feet flat on the ground, especially on sleds with a higher saddle. Since you've pretty much got to have one foot comfortable, then it might as well be the left one.

Seriously, in the big universe of motorcycling etiquette the "left foot only" thing is not a big deal. It certainly is possible to ride safely and legally while continually putting both feet out for stops and go's. When I first started riding I sure as heck put both feet out.. and for the first week or so of riding I hated coming to a complete stop as a result. It wasn't until I figured out (by watching other riders) that one foot only was better; that stop lights and traffic jams ceased to bother me.

Additionally, the sort of crashes that new riders experience are typically not the same as those of their more experienced bretheren. New riders tend to fall over when coming to a stop, or when making a sharp right hand turn from a full stop. Achieving the skill "milestone" of being able to accurately predict and control which way the bike is going to lean in very slow rolling conditions is (IMHO) critically important to becoming a safe and confident rider. We've all had the experience of starting to make a right turn from a stop, when suddenly a vehicle approaches from the left at high speed. Its much easier to do the right thing (i.e. stop immediately) if we are confident that we can wiggle the bars, lean the bike, and put the correct foot down.
 
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