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True Oil capacity for 2004 Roadglide (not what HD manual says)

Just changed oil in the Roadglide doing the 30K service myself:). Bought the bike used and individual said dealer had serviced at 25K. Checked dealer and verified....So What is the issue you ask? I want to know the true oil capacity when dry (not what Y'all are reading in the manuals, or those who must change the filter then drain your oil, leaving gobs of black stuff in your system).
I drained the oil completely, also took off oil filter and let all residual oil in system drain....

HD Manual calls for 4 quarts of oil (OK, agreed):beatdh:. I had to replenish with 6 quarts to get it to even register on dipstick (when hot) and still showing a quart low...

When I put in the 4 quarts of new oil, I noted the oil wasn't registering on the dipstick, but due to all the "notes" on this website, thought I should not overfill. Took Black Beauty for a little ride and as I crept past 2000 RPM the oil indicator light came on and I also noticed the oil pressure that was originally about 20psi (idling) was now at 0. I immediately backed off throttle and pressure sensor idiot light went out- pressure stayed low, and I putted 1/8 mi home under 1000 rpm to keep things rolling. I filled with another quart of oil and still no register on oil dipstick...then a another half qrt., and saw a drop on the end. Took for another trip around block and ended up adding last 1/2 qt.

I ended up with 6 quarts of 20-50 in the reservoir, took on a 10 mile ride at various rpms (including 5 on interstate) and When I got home checking hot on jiffy stand it is at bottom of arrows and upright is in the middle...

Anybody got any idea of what issue is with 6 quarts to refill :confused:... Looking forward to your thoughts, slams, comments.....but please, don't quote me the manual says "***"... I want to hear from guys who really change their own oil, and have properly drained their system as one should...

Thanks in advance,
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Migrating into your primary thru a bad seal.
 

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Lots of sh!t can migrate through a bad seal.
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This thread also migrates back to life now and then. Can we please just let it die?
 

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George, thanks is for your notes




George, I am not a math teacher actually was my worst subject, until i had applied algebra with electronics, then the switches turned on to a whole new world...and good to know someone else on here is still riding mid-70's shovels..40+ years of riding and still haven't worn out a bike (s) oh, that is multiples ...curious of how many miles you have put on a single bike and how long it took for you to get blow by in the rings, valve guides and loosen up the tolerances on your crank, cams, etc? Shovels were good for about 50-60 K before a rebuild... But that was before good QC methods were placed into production in American vehicle manufacturing.

I have about 45,000 on my Roadie, have ridden cross country for multiple 600mile plus days, and trust will keep doing so for another five years or to 100,000 miles.

Yepper a good harley will go 100,000 miles (even with dinosaur lube) and interestingly enough, I am guessing you run synthetic oil in your bike due to the lower engine temperatures abated through synth ( temps created by friction and larger sizes of displacement), the fact that synths don't break down under extreme heat and cause wear?

My CORS tool cost a mere twenty bucks, and not trying to justify the cost...heck no, but it is laughable that one would drain the oil from any vehicle (especially one that is air cooled) and then refill with 30% of the oil just drained.... I think it is due to most folks not putting more than a couple thousand miles (if that) each year, trading their bikes off every few years, and harley realizing there will be other issues that will cause breakdowns before the engine oil takes its toll..., e.g, evo cam bearings, early twin cams with spring-loaded cam tensioners, (getting ready to drop $2grand for high pressure oil pump and hydraulic tensioners...getting cams, pushrods while in there). I love my harley, don't mind working on her, but from an engineering standpoint, harley has to been dragged kicking into innovation at every step, with the exception of V-Rod and most traditional h-d riders won't ever go near one, much less own one. As they say, you just can't argue with a hundred and ten year history...even if they did take a bailout and are buying credits annually from the EPA for running above the emissions standards limits each year...

BTW, I understand Cummins did testing on dry sump partial engine oil changes and determined that with good filtration they will go 1 million miles plus without a rebuild... But, these diesels are water cooled....

You go ahead run a 30/70 mix of dirty oil and trade bikes every few years and I will run cleaner 5/95 and run mine until she has no life left... Probably doesn't matter a hill of beans at the end of the road of life....I was just raised to to the job in the best manner possible... And IMHO, this is the best way...

5 quarts is still the answer for my bike....thanks for all of the retorts and no actual answers to the question...

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I use the scavenger system (I forget where I purchased) to remove the remaining dirty oil, it amazes me that not everyone knows this. You are 100% correct George. Just draining and refilling is not getting all the dirty oil out. I was skeptical the first time until I saw the dirty oil coming out (after draining was complete and the scavenger system put a couple quarts in pushing that dirty oil out).
 

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I use the scavenger system (I forget where I purchased) to remove the remaining dirty oil, it amazes me that not everyone knows this. You are 100% correct George. Just draining and refilling is not getting all the dirty oil out. I was skeptical the first time until I saw the dirty oil coming out (after draining was complete and the scavenger system put a couple quarts in pushing that dirty oil out).
Everybody DOES know it nube. We just also know it is a waste of time and money and oil.

Have you checked out those awesome E3 spark plugs yet? 50 HP guaranteed.
 

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hi, new to this, bought a nice 2015 Roadster, I am not mechanically inclined so I took it to a shop to change the oil, I cannot find the manual and there was a million results of clutter doing a search, specifically it is a XL 883R Sportster Roadster CS (engine size is 883), reason I am looking for the capacity is because the owner of the shop billed me on an invoice for 5 quarts of 20W-50 motorcycle oil. I thought it was a mistake but found this that states it is only 2.75 quarts.

https://www.searchforparts.com/motorcycle-oil-change/harley-davidson-2015-xl-883r-sportster-roadster-cs-883-54-ci

before I go back and complain, want to verify, dont want to make a fuss over nothing.
 

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hi, new to this, bought a nice 2015 Roadster, I am not mechanically inclined so I took it to a shop to change the oil, I cannot find the manual and there was a million results of clutter doing a search, specifically it is a XL 883R Sportster Roadster CS (engine size is 883), reason I am looking for the capacity is because the owner of the shop billed me on an invoice for 5 quarts of 20W-50 motorcycle oil. I thought it was a mistake but found this that states it is only 2.75 quarts.

2015 Harley-Davidson XL 883R Sportster Roadster CS recommended synthetic oil and filter

before I go back and complain, want to verify, dont want to make a fuss over nothing.
Engine, primary, and transmission oils changed?
 

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Final thoughts from three years of experience and oil changes .... 5 quarts in total HD TC-88 Engine Lube System.
Re- 6 qts oil... was actually shy of 5 qts (fat fingered)..too ling ago to remember...
Now using a CORS tool to drain 95% of dirty oil form my bike each oil change...

Arm 2 Cycle Works Contaminated Oil Removal System Harley-Davidson Motorcycle | Dennis Kirk

Most who change 3.5 quarts are changing only 112 of 160 oz total capacity meaning you are changing only 70% of your bike's oil...analogy- it would be like letting the local oil monkey at the quick change shop drain 5 quarts from your new truck, put in 3.5 qts of new oil and put 1.5 qts of the crap they just drained back into the motor... but, hey thats the way the dealers do it, so it must be OK, right?

I get 95% changed now, and love looking at amber colored oil for up to 2,000 miles after each change, and knowing that only about 1% of the original oil that cam in my Harley is still in her....most everyone else doing the standard H-D recommended oil changes still have 3 oz of the original H-D factory oil in their bikes at 50,000 and have 50,000 miles of wear with minimally 30% of lubrication fluids worn out just after a "fresh oil change". By changing 95% of the oil in a bike with 10,000 miles, with 2 CORS oil changes I am down to less than 1 % of original Factory Oil, and each oil change has only 5% (8 oz) of dirty oil recirculating in my engine after a "fresh oil change"...

Bye for now....
I change my oil every 5000 km. Use K&N filters, never had a problem with so called dirty oil. You run a good oil filter and oil, and regular maintenance, should never be a problem.
 
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