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ok guys this may sound crazy!!!! i have a 2005 heritage softail fuel injected 88 CI ..i just changed the oil and used 20/50 royal purple.owners manual says oil capacity is 3.5 quarts so that is what i put. when i check the oil its past the full mark on dipstick. how many quarts do you guys use? THE OIL IS UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WELD ON THE OIL FILLER NECK.

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ok guys this may sound crazy!!!! i have a 2005 heritage softail fuel injected 88 CI ..i just changed the oil and used 20/50 royal purple.owners manual says oil capacity is 3.5 quarts so that is what i put. when i check the oil its past the full mark on dipstick. how many quarts do you guys use? THE OIL IS UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WELD ON THE OIL FILLER NECK.

THANKS IN ADVANCE
I run 3 quarts in my FLSTF. Manual says 3.5, but that's overfilled on mine too.
 

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I guess different model bikes have different methods of checking oil level. Some say check it with the bike on its side stand. Others, like my Sporty, say check the oil level with the bike straight up. Any way you slice it, though, I've found that with my bike at full operating temperature the optimum full level is when the oil is about halfway between the top and bottom demarcations on the dip stick. The last time I changed oil (I have the dealer do it), they overfilled it and I was spewing oil out from the under side of the air cleaner on every ride. I pulled most of a turkey baster full out of the oil tank, and I'm not seeing that problem now. Dip stick reads halfway between full and low.
 

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Oil overfill

I had the same over fill senario on my 04 heritage. There has to be some residual oil left in the bike after draining. I now check my oil level before i change it and if it's ok, I measure what drains out and replace just that much. Sounds kinda anal but if you ever had your dipstck blow out and spew oil all over the garage because of an overfill condition you would do the same!

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Idle your hot motor for a minute or two before draining, to get all you can out of the sump.

2 1/2 to 3 qts in mine. I like it only half way up the dip stick.
 

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02 heritage, 3 quarts. Switched from HD synth to Klotz 10-40. After my 80 mile Sunday ride, oil temp is down to 215 from 235-240 previous...I'm just sayin'
 

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I had an 03 FLSTCI and it took 3 quarts to get it to the full line and maybe a few ounces from another quart. also put some in the oil filter from one of the 3 quarts and let it sit before installing the oil filter. After you put the 4 quarts in take it for a 20 mile ride to warm the oil up, as you should be checking when warm as mentioned, then check the level.

go buy a turkey baster for a few dollars to get it right this time.
 

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Guys keep in mind that your oil system is a dry sump system and for accurate measurements of oil in the bag it has to be run before changing the oil. Sometimes just running them at idle will make the situation worse as the scavenge pump won't pump back fast enough or keep the crankcase scavenged properly. When the engine is off oil is not suppose to migrate into the crankcase, but many do, so you are going to over service your system if you don't make sure all the oil has been scavenged back to the tank.

When I was working as an aircraft mechanic for Delta airlines the pilots would complain in the morning that their oil was low. We knew it wasn't because we had serviced the system during our inspections when they came in the night before. The jet engine has a dry sump system and the oil would migrate to the gearbox during the night. We would have to run the engine and watch the oil level come back up to full as the scavenge pumps returned the oil to the tank. If you just idled the motor it actually aggrivated the situation as the scavenge pumps at idle can't keep up with the what the oil pump is putting out and I believe, the harley is the same. So the moral of the story is run the engine at a higher RPM than at idle or take it for a short ride and then come back and change the oil.
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True Oil capacity for 2004 Roadglide (not what HD manual says)

Just changed oil in the Roadglide doing the 30K service myself:). Bought the bike used and individual said dealer had serviced at 25K. Checked dealer and verified....So What is the issue you ask? I want to know the true oil capacity when dry (not what Y'all are reading in the manuals, or those who must change the filter then drain your oil, leaving gobs of black stuff in your system).
I drained the oil completely, also took off oil filter and let all residual oil in system drain....

HD Manual calls for 4 quarts of oil (OK, agreed):beatdh:. I had to replenish with 6 quarts to get it to even register on dipstick (when hot) and still showing a quart low...

When I put in the 4 quarts of new oil, I noted the oil wasn't registering on the dipstick, but due to all the "notes" on this website, thought I should not overfill. Took Black Beauty for a little ride and as I crept past 2000 RPM the oil indicator light came on and I also noticed the oil pressure that was originally about 20psi (idling) was now at 0. I immediately backed off throttle and pressure sensor idiot light went out- pressure stayed low, and I putted 1/8 mi home under 1000 rpm to keep things rolling. I filled with another quart of oil and still no register on oil dipstick...then a another half qrt., and saw a drop on the end. Took for another trip around block and ended up adding last 1/2 qt.

I ended up with 6 quarts of 20-50 in the reservoir, took on a 10 mile ride at various rpms (including 5 on interstate) and When I got home checking hot on jiffy stand it is at bottom of arrows and upright is in the middle...

Anybody got any idea of what issue is with 6 quarts to refill :confused:... Looking forward to your thoughts, slams, comments.....but please, don't quote me the manual says "***"... I want to hear from guys who really change their own oil, and have properly drained their system as one should...

Thanks in advance,
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Just changed oil in the Roadglide doing the 30K service myself:). Bought the bike used and individual said dealer had serviced at 25K. Checked dealer and verified....So What is the issue you ask? I want to know the true oil capacity when dry (not what Y'all are reading in the manuals, or those who must change the filter then drain your oil, leaving gobs of black stuff in your system).
I drained the oil completely, also took off oil filter and let all residual oil in system drain....

HD Manual calls for 4 quarts of oil (OK, agreed):beatdh:. I had to replenish with 6 quarts to get it to even register on dipstick (when hot) and still showing a quart low...

When I put in the 4 quarts of new oil, I noted the oil wasn't registering on the dipstick, but due to all the "notes" on this website, thought I should not overfill. Took Black Beauty for a little ride and as I crept past 2000 RPM the oil indicator light came on and I also noticed the oil pressure that was originally about 20psi (idling) was now at 0. I immediately backed off throttle and pressure sensor idiot light went out- pressure stayed low, and I putted 1/8 mi home under 1000 rpm to keep things rolling. I filled with another quart of oil and still no register on oil dipstick...then a another half qrt., and saw a drop on the end. Took for another trip around block and ended up adding last 1/2 qt.

I ended up with 6 quarts of 20-50 in the reservoir, took on a 10 mile ride at various rpms (including 5 on interstate) and When I got home checking hot on jiffy stand it is at bottom of arrows and upright is in the middle...

Anybody got any idea of what issue is with 6 quarts to refill :confused:... Looking forward to your thoughts, slams, comments.....but please, don't quote me the manual says "***"... I want to hear from guys who really change their own oil, and have properly drained their system as one should...

Thanks in advance,
Burky
You added 6 qts and barely showed up on dip stick ?? You did something wrong...
 

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No body ever completely drained an 88" on here?

Ah, shucks guys, I thought at least one of you had completely drained the oil out of their own bike!!!

Let's add a little more to the story and see if anyone can help....

I figured while under the bike I would drain tranny too; no sense getting the oil pan back under later when only the viscocity is different.

Again, I am looking for a knowledgeable mechanic who has built a bike and filled the fluids (including the baffle compartment in the oil pan) from a dry condition. I may drain engine oil pan and tranny oil compartment again from the correct holes and measure the fluid removed and then remove the filter and drain it as well.

If this proves me wrong, then fine...but if this shows that a typical oil change only removes about 70% of the oil in the system, and the rest of you are only getting a partial oil change, then who is getting a better fluid change?
 

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Just changed oil in the Roadglide doing the 30K service myself:). Bought the bike used and individual said dealer had serviced at 25K. Checked dealer and verified....So What is the issue you ask? I want to know the true oil capacity when dry (not what Y'all are reading in the manuals, or those who must change the filter then drain your oil, leaving gobs of black stuff in your system).
I drained the oil completely, also took off oil filter and let all residual oil in system drain....

HD Manual calls for 4 quarts of oil (OK, agreed):beatdh:. I had to replenish with 6 quarts to get it to even register on dipstick (when hot) and still showing a quart low...

When I put in the 4 quarts of new oil, I noted the oil wasn't registering on the dipstick, but due to all the "notes" on this website, thought I should not overfill. Took Black Beauty for a little ride and as I crept past 2000 RPM the oil indicator light came on and I also noticed the oil pressure that was originally about 20psi (idling) was now at 0. I immediately backed off throttle and pressure sensor idiot light went out- pressure stayed low, and I putted 1/8 mi home under 1000 rpm to keep things rolling. I filled with another quart of oil and still no register on oil dipstick...then a another half qrt., and saw a drop on the end. Took for another trip around block and ended up adding last 1/2 qt.

I ended up with 6 quarts of 20-50 in the reservoir, took on a 10 mile ride at various rpms (including 5 on interstate) and When I got home checking hot on jiffy stand it is at bottom of arrows and upright is in the middle...

Anybody got any idea of what issue is with 6 quarts to refill :confused:... Looking forward to your thoughts, slams, comments.....but please, don't quote me the manual says "***"... I want to hear from guys who really change their own oil, and have properly drained their system as one should...

Thanks in advance,
Burky
You most likely have a bad scavenge pump and running way too much oil in your system. If you can't figure the problem out you need to run this by the guys in the tech forum and I would not ride the bike until you find out the malfunction and make the repair. No harley engine can run long with the amount of oil you have put in it without hurting something.
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TC88B takes right at 3 qts on an oil change.
 

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How to get more than 4qts of oil into a Roadglide

Ok, I have figured out the answer on my own- some of the volumes were incorrect due to underfilled bottles by high-priced oil manufacturer (or their local distributor & thanks to wifey for noting).

I drained the oil while the engine was hot (did not idle for final minute as others have noted to get most of the "scavenge oil" out of crank housing), also removed the oil filter and then thinking the pipe-plug next to the oil-change bolt was the tranny fluid, drained the additional 1+ qt of "scavenge oil". Yes, guys, there is about a quart of nasty oil left in the oil pan when you do an oil change on a Harley big twin..kinda' like changing the fluid in an automatic-transmission wherein the fluid in the torque converter is trapped and will not drain! My bad here, but I did manage to reinsert without stripping the threads and she's sealed well for now.

Tip-off. I admit to making the mistake of thinking the tranny port was the pipe plug, and did find the correct one after reviewing the manual. again and getting out the wife's makeup mirror...LOL). I also noted that the lowest point for draining oil is the pipe-plug and determined that this alone accounts for about 300cc of fluid (or 10 oz.) which is left in the pan, when the bike is level ( I did mine on the jiffy with a 2x6 positioned under the stand). Also, noting the "total oil change" posts on another website, there can be upwards of 32oz of dirty oil in the dry sump system when the typcial oil change is completed. I know I still had a little of the old oil in the system, as I completed the oil draining again to verify volume and only got the 3.5 qts of already mixed half-dirty oil others have noted bring correct drain-out amount (leaving the oil filter in place). Where does this lead, you ask?

3.5 qts in the baffled oil pan (above the pipe-plug port), another qt in the oil filter, and below the oil drain plug (scavenge oil), for a total on-board oil volume of 4.5 qts. The high-priced oil packaged in quart bottles only had about 28 oz of oil each (nice way to add profit margins), so I effectively had a pint less than the 4 qts that I originally thought had put in the engine. So, I had drained about 4.4 qts (unmeasured the 1st time) of the total oil internal to the engine, added what I thought was 3.5 qts (but due to poor volumetric bottling by High-priced oil mfgr.), I had actually only added 3 qts. when I added the additional half qt I was only up to 3.5 and after adding what I thought was two more qts (actually 1qt. from a gallon container from dealer), I was at the 4.5 qt true capacity.

So, bike runs fine, oil level is excellent on Jiffy Stand, I have put about 40 miles and no puking of oil thru my new K&N air filter, and am really disappointed that no one noted how much TOTAL OIL is "really" in a 2004 bagger oil pan. Anyone wanting to argue can check out the Total Oil Change System on YouTube....And to think, the tech-school-educated-boys at the dealer swear that you can only get a total 4 qts into the system.... where is the common sense these days?

Please accept my apologies for the frustration noted earlier, and for getting the additional two quarts wrong. If someone would have noted that there is approx a quart of oil in the system after an oil drain of 3.5 qts, this would have been much quicker to determine the total volume onboard. One thing is for certain, the dealer who noted there is no way to put more than 4 qts oil into the Harley twin cam system, will never again see my bike anywhere near their dealership!

Well, now I know and perhaps, others will learn from my experience..

Burky

"Roadglide? It's Harley's version of a Goldwing, that handles like a Sportster, and sounds like the old Duoglide Panhead the neighborhood Biker rode back when..."
 

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Ok, I have figured out the answer on my own- some of the volumes were incorrect due to underfilled bottles by high-priced oil manufacturer (or their local distributor & thanks to wifey for noting).

I drained the oil while the engine was hot (did not idle for final minute as others have noted to get most of the "scavenge oil" out of crank housing), also removed the oil filter and then thinking the pipe-plug next to the oil-change bolt was the tranny fluid, drained the additional 1+ qt of "scavenge oil". Yes, guys, there is about a quart of nasty oil left in the oil pan when you do an oil change on a Harley big twin..kinda' like changing the fluid in an automatic-transmission wherein the fluid in the torque converter is trapped and will not drain! My bad here, but I did manage to reinsert without stripping the threads and she's sealed well for now.

Tip-off. I admit to making the mistake of thinking the tranny port was the pipe plug, and did find the correct one after reviewing the manual. again and getting out the wife's makeup mirror...LOL). I also noted that the lowest point for draining oil is the pipe-plug and determined that this alone accounts for about 300cc of fluid (or 10 oz.) which is left in the pan, when the bike is level ( I did mine on the jiffy with a 2x6 positioned under the stand). Also, noting the "total oil change" posts on another website, there can be upwards of 32oz of dirty oil in the dry sump system when the typcial oil change is completed. I know I still had a little of the old oil in the system, as I completed the oil draining again to verify volume and only got the 3.5 qts of already mixed half-dirty oil others have noted bring correct drain-out amount (leaving the oil filter in place). Where does this lead, you ask?

3.5 qts in the baffled oil pan (above the pipe-plug port), another qt in the oil filter, and below the oil drain plug (scavenge oil), for a total on-board oil volume of 4.5 qts. The high-priced oil packaged in quart bottles only had about 28 oz of oil each (nice way to add profit margins), so I effectively had a pint less than the 4 qts that I originally thought had put in the engine. So, I had drained about 4.4 qts (unmeasured the 1st time) of the total oil internal to the engine, added what I thought was 3.5 qts (but due to poor volumetric bottling by High-priced oil mfgr.), I had actually only added 3 qts. when I added the additional half qt I was only up to 3.5 and after adding what I thought was two more qts (actually 1qt. from a gallon container from dealer), I was at the 4.5 qt true capacity.

So, bike runs fine, oil level is excellent on Jiffy Stand, I have put about 40 miles and no puking of oil thru my new K&N air filter, and am really disappointed that no one noted how much TOTAL OIL is "really" in a 2004 bagger oil pan. Anyone wanting to argue can check out the Total Oil Change System on YouTube....And to think, the tech-school-educated-boys at the dealer swear that you can only get a total 4 qts into the system.... where is the common sense these days?

Please accept my apologies for the frustration noted earlier, and for getting the additional two quarts wrong. If someone would have noted that there is approx a quart of oil in the system after an oil drain of 3.5 qts, this would have been much quicker to determine the total volume onboard. One thing is for certain, the dealer who noted there is no way to put more than 4 qts oil into the Harley twin cam system, will never again see my bike anywhere near their dealership!

Well, now I know and perhaps, others will learn from my experience..

Burky

"Roadglide? It's Harley's version of a Goldwing, that handles like a Sportster, and sounds like the old Duoglide Panhead the neighborhood Biker rode back when..."
I am exhausted,..........I may never change the oil in my bike again........:beatdh:
 
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