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Need opinions on another set up for my 1200 conversion. Looking for heads/head work. Has anyone had any experience with the SE heads for the Sportster? VS. Sending the heads out?

Also, looking at the SE Hi-Po cam kit for the bike. Can anyone who has installed these cams before please tell me, specifically, what machining is required for fitment? Valve Springs are needed as well correct? Thanks in advance for your help. Just trying to make sure I do it right the first time.
 

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The best bang for buck on a 1200 conversion is the Buell thunder storm heads the bolt in XL cams and a good 2-1 header. 85+hp very snappy set up. Plus the Buell heads are less money than SE's and they flow better. Draw back is they are black only.
 

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Anyone have experience with the SE High Performance cams? Have to make a decision soon. Thanks
 

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There are only a few S/E cams for Sportys. Andrew makes a few more cams to match with the CR and the type of power your after, (high rpm HP or mid range torque ect.).
 

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cams

i know a little bit about cams ,but not the se ,just the andrews. n2,4 6,&8
I used the n8 after lots of research. they maintain good tq vs stock but are much better at high rpm
 

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Thanks for checking it out. Im am mainly looking for good torque and mid range. Or I should say, rather be quick than fast if you know what i mean... I dont know a whole lot about cams for my sporty, done most of my learning experiences with cars. To put in a higer lift cam, say, .536", what type of maching would you have to do? New Valve springs and stuff on the top end, but what about the bottem end?

Thanks for your help. Need to make some decisions soon, because my heads are going to be sent out, and that will determine what valve springs i need to get.

Edited for my stupidity:D
 

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You can't beat the thunderstorm set up, I went with the heads, Buell pistons and Andrews N-8 cams. With cycle shack slip ons and got 85hp & 79t. It will walk all over most BTs!
If you want to spent alittle moore $ you can order thunderstorm heads from Nallin that will get you in the 100hp range.
The SE cams are made by Andrews for HD. I liked the N-8s but either way you cant go wrong.
Good Luck
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Ehrgeiz said:
To put in a higer lift cam, say, .536", what type of maching would you have to do?
I recently installed SE .495 " lift cams when doing an 883-1200 conversion. What I saw was that if much higher cam than this is installed the inside of the gearcase needs to be machined to allow clearance for the higher lift lobes on the cams. Not an expert here, just my .02.


You might want to check with Small Block Charlie 1-800-921-1446 about doing your heads for you. They did mine & I can tell you ...they do excellent work ! Check the pix of my heads out here :http://209.151.86.249/gallery/data/2609Exhaust-thumb.jpg
& here :http://209.151.86.249/gallery/data/2609Intake-thumb.jpg
(if you go to picture section, you can enlarge the pix to get a better look)

Hope this helps. Let us know how you come out !:cool:
 

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Hey Kerry,
What type of modifications did you have to make to the bike to fit the n8?
Most of my riding is from 0 to 60 mph (most emphasis) with the occasional 70 or so on the highway, and I like to crack on it to feel the pull at least once or twice on a ride :) So for that RPM range, what do you think would be the best cam for my riding style? Looking at the N4 or the N8.
 

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Clearancing for high lift cams is very comon. My cam is a 630 lift so I had to remove close to 1/8 inch out. Zippers tool works great for this my motor is a TC88 though. I am not sure if they make a tool for the sportys. We use to do them by hand. For cams Red shift is a good bet for sportys cams. Give them a call.
 

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n8 and riding style

the n8 made an increase of about 8 lbs better tq at 2k rpm then mirriored the stock cams until about 4500 - 6500 where they showed about 5 hp gain.
So this id dyno data...the feeling was way diiferent, the bike felt less torquie and did show a 10mph top speed increase. But the big diff really was that it had more torque but it now pulled to higher rpms more quickly so I found my self at the 2-3k rpm range less and found that i could take the bike to (top speed is about 190km/h) 175kmh much quicker. the n8 is a rever meaning its showing high rpm increases sure , but more so it revs up quicker. Hope that helps.
 

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That top speed is before the nitrous.
 

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How much $$$$ do you want to spend? Ill give you a hint , the stock 883 heads can be made to yeald great low mid range. If you dont beat on your ride all the time and run in the 3000~4000 rpm range you will find for the bucks the 883 heads with 1.63" intakes (I think thats the size) and a little port work give you all the power to ride wheeles all day long...
 

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In late Jan early feb i will have a nice deal for ya. 883 heads pro ported by headqurters( one fine sportster head specialist) cc'd to 1200 cc with matching HD flat top pistons @ 10.5-1 compression ratio and a set of andrews n8 cams. the bike is 1 year old and the heads were only on for half its life. I have gone with another set of headquarters heads with domed pistons to get a little over 12-1 compression and their matching 0043 cams.
the set up i am selling did 83 hp and 79 lbs torque . It was not maxed as i choose to be on the safe side. jetting was always a touch rich and timing wasnt aggressive.
Price ? dont know cause i always thought i would sick em in the wifes 883.......hmmmmmm
In canadian $ the heads are 1100 and the pistons were about 289, and the cams are worth about 500. the stuff is great but some may recommend against the pistons cause they are heavy cast models . but so be it.
I will want about $1000 canadian, or about ^50 US dollars.
That should be a deal, but you guys know your market prices best so let me know.
 

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In late Jan early feb i will have a nice deal for ya. 883 heads pro ported by headqurters( one fine sportster head specialist) cc'd to 1200 cc with matching HD flat top pistons @ 10.5-1 compression ratio and a set of andrews n8 cams. the bike is 1 year old and the heads were only on for half its life. I have gone with another set of headquarters heads with domed pistons to get a little over 12-1 compression and their matching 0043 cams.
the set up i am selling did 83 hp and 79 lbs torque . It was not maxed as i choose to be on the safe side. jetting was always a touch rich and timing wasnt aggressive.
Price ? dont know cause i always thought i would sick em in the wifes 883.......hmmmmmm
In canadian $ the heads are 1100 and the pistons were about 289, and the cams are worth about 500. the stuff is great but some may recommend against the pistons cause they are heavy cast models . but so be it.
I will want about $1000 canadian, or about ^50 US dollars.
That should be a deal, but you guys know your market prices best so let me know.
 

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Kerry,
Sounds like an impressive bike. Nitrous huh? So, the N4 is close to the same cam as the N8, but less top end and more mid and bottom end? I dont plan on racking it out to redline and top speed very often, so maybe the N4 would be better for me right now. What did you have to do to get the clearances right? I know less than .500 lift and less than 250 dur is considered bolit in. Not many machine shops around here that will work on bikes.

KAGS,
I am looking to spend 400 - 500$ on head work maybe a little more if I have to. I have talked to HD HammerHeads and trying to get in contact with SBC about head work. That sounds like what I am looking for almost exactly. =) Any more info on that you can give me??

HDWRENCH,
Where could I go to find such a tool possibly?

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Any cam installation tips or help would be great too. I am doing most of this work myself, with the help of an experienced friend and alot of talk at the shop...

Thanks for all your help! I love this place =)
 

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Any of you guys have the web site or phone number for Small Block Charlie? The 1-800-921-1446 number listed earlier is no longer in service. Thanks for the assist.
 
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