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I keep hearing this theory.
Can you provide any proof?

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From what I can remember those were overrated a tad. At least the only one in the town where I lived.

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for the time they did pretty good and of course there is faster models on the other side.

I was responding to Joe on agreeing more of the respect for higher rank model, as in I wouldn't modify one if I owned one, which probably never own one do to prices for one. Of course any old muscle car era that you could purchase as a already drag pack package and if still unmodified is worth money now a days, you start adding big blocks to the equations and BOOM!!!!


Times on 1/4 mile for 1970 Hot Rod Harry's records, those that made it in the 13's you could purchase from factory of course all could be purchased. Fun Days

Stock 1/4 mile times for the year 1970 Cars:
1970 AMC AMX (MT)
390ci/325hp, 4spd, 3.54, 0-60 - 6.5, 1/4 mile - 14.68 @ 92mph
1970 AMC AMX (PHR)
360ci/315hp, 4spd, 3.51, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.90 @ 94.63mph
1970 AMC Javelin SST (CL)
390ci/325hp, 3spd auto, 3.15, 0-60 - 7.6, 1/4 mile - 15.11 @ 91.5mph
1970 AMC Rebel Machine (HR)
390ci/340hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.49 @ 93mph
1970 Buick Skylark GS (HC)
455ci/360hp, 4spd, 3.64, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.72 @ 105.01mph
1970 Buick Skylark GS (MT)
455ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.64, 1/4 mile - 13.38 @ 105mph

1970 Buick Skylark GSX (CC)
445ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.64, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.28 @ 99.77mph
1970 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS454 (CL)
454ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 2.73, 0-60 - 7.7, 1/4 mile - 16.2 @ 90.1mph
1970 Chevelle SS396 (CL)
396ci/350hp, 3spd auto, 3.31, 0-60 - 8.1, 1/4 mile - 15.5 @ 90mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (SSC)
450ci/450hp, 3spd auto, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.55 @ 104mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (CC)
454ci/450hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile 13.12 @ 107.01mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (CD)
454ci/450hp, 3spd auto, 3.70, 0-60 - 5.4, 1/4 mile 13.81 @ 103.80mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (HR)
454ci/450hp, 4spd, 4.11, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.44 @ 108.17mph

1970 Camaro Z/28 (MT)
350ci/370hp, 3spd, 3.73, 0-60 - 7.0, 1/4 mile - 15.4 @ 94mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (CC)
350ci/370hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.11 @ 102.73mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (HC)
350ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.88 @ 101mph

1970 Nova SS (CC)
350ci/300hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.90 @ 94mph
1970 Nova SS (RT)
396ci/350hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.7 @ 98.02mph
1970 Corvette (CL)
350ci/370hp, 4spd, 4.11, 0-60 - 5.7, 1/4 mile - 14.17 @ 102.15mph
1970 Chrysler 300-Hurst (CL)
440ci/375hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 7.1, 1/4 mile - 15.30 @ 94.93mph
1970 Dodge Dart (CC)
340ci/275hp, 3spd std, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.70 @ 96.84mph
1970 Dodge Charger R/T (CL)
440ci/375hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.71 @ 96.67mph
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (PHR)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.33 @ 99.88mph
1970 Dodge Challenger 340 (HC)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.55 @ 97mph
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (CC)
440ci/390hp, 3spd auto, 3.2.3, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.62 @ 104.28mph

1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible R/T (CL)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 3.54, 0-60 - 7.1, 1/4 mile - 14.64 @ 97.82mph
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (CD)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 5.8, 1/4 mile - 14. 10 @ 103.20mph
1970 Dodge Challenger SE (CC)
426ci/425hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.3, 1/4 mile - 13. 10 @ 107.12mph

1970 Mustang Mach 1 (PHR)
428ci/335hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.03 @ 98.89mph
1970 Mustang Boss 302 (CL)
302ci/290hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - 6.5, 1/4 mile - 14.85 @ 96.10mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (MT)
351ci/300hp, 3spd, 3.00, 0-60 - 8.2, 1/4 mile - 16.0 @ 86.2mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (CC)
351ci/300hp, 4spd, 3.50, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.23 @ 94.33mph
1970 Mustang Boss 429 (SS)
429ci/375hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.64 @ 104.65mph

1970 Ford Torino GT (CL)
351ci/300hp, 4spd, 3.25, 0-60 - 8.1, 1/4 mile - 15.6 @ 89.5mph
1970 Ford Torino (MT)
429ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3,50, 0-60 - 6.0, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 100.2mph
1970 Ford Torino (CC)
429ci/375hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.85 @ 104.06mph
1970 Ford Torino SCJ (SS)
429ci/370hp, auto, 3.91, 1/4 mile - [email protected] 105.90mph

1970 Mercury Cyclone (MT)
429ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3.50, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 99mph
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator (CL)
302ci/290hp, 4spd, 4.30, 0-60 - 7.6, 1/4 mile - 15.8 @ 90mph
1970 Cutlass Rallye 350 (CL)
350ci/310hp, 4spd, 3.42, 0-60 - 7.0, 1/4 mile - 15.27 @ 94.33mph
1970 Cutlass W31 (PHR)
350ci/325hp, 3spd auto, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.62 @ 96.05mph
1970 Cutlass SX (MT)
455ci/365hp, 3spd auto, 3.08, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.80 @95mph
1970 Cutlass 442 (HC)
455ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - [email protected] 103.22mph

1970 Plymouth Duster 340 (CC)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile 14.22 @ 98mph
1970 Plymouth Duster 340 (CL)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 6.2, 1/4 mile - 14.72 @ 94.24mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda AAR (CL)
340ci/290hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 99mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (RT)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.36 @ 94mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (MT)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 96mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (CL)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 7.5, 1/4 mile - 15.0 @ 94mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 440+6 (PHR)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.97 @ 104mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda (CC)
426ci/425hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.10 @ 107mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda (CC)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.69 @ 105.63mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda Covertible (HPC)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - 5.6, 1/4 mile - 13.45 @ 105mph

1970 Plymouth Road Runner (MT)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.06 @ 101.69mph
1970 Plymouth Road Runner (SS)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.34 @ 107.50mph

1970 Pontiac Grand Prix SJ (HPC)
455ci/370hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.19 @ 101.29mph
1970 GTO (HPC)
400ci/366hp, 4spd, 3.90, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.45 @ 100mph
1970 GTO (CC)
400ci/370hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.02 @ 98.90mph
1970 GTO (CD)
455ci/360hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 15.00 @ 96.50mph
1970 GTO (CL)
455ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.76 @ 95.94mph
1970 Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 (CL)
400ci/330hp, 3spd auto, 3.07, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.86 @ 95.54mph
1970 Pontiac Trans Am (HR)
400ci/345hp, 4spd, 3.91, 1/4 mile - 13.90 @ 102mph
 

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I keep hearing this theory.
Can you provide any proof?
Actual proof would involve knowing the selling prices of all (or a large enough sample) vehicles ever sold, the selling prices, and whether or not each vehicle had modifications. Since you are the one who seems to need to be convinced, I think the burden is on you to explain what, in your mind, would constitute "proof".

On another note, I can certainly find support for my theory. For starters, Joe agrees with me. Maybe that's good enough for me.

If that's not enough for you (I know it is not) then here are a few links to some reading material that can offer support for my theory:

Should You Buy Your Project Car Stock Or Pre-Modified?

Understanding the book value of your modified car | Selling vs Trade I
(this one mentions the difficulty of a lender putting a value on vehicle modifications, which most will not do)

How to Sell a Modified Car | Fitment Industries

Why selling a modified bike isn’t the best idea…

10 Tips on How to Sell a Motorcycle - YouMotorcycle

Modified motorcycle v stock motorcycle – which is better? - Carole Nash

Now, what proof do you have to dispel my theory?
 

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I need to start drinking the same coffee g man does.
G Man doesn't drink coffee. G Man does drink tea, and whiskey, sometimes together.
 

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Suprised!

G-Man in my mind was a black coffee only and a Rum drink kinda guy?

Also I expected he showed credentials as a mail carrier but actually works for the FBI as a Graphologists, but his passion is in with what the CIA trained him on as a living Lie Detector Test?

I was way off!
 

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G Man doesn't drink coffee. G Man does drink tea, and whiskey, sometimes together.
Although he's been seen enjoying hops on occasions.
 

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I thought a graphologist was a lady parts dr, I am glad I looked it up.
it's time to start drinking.....
 

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Now, what proof do you have to dispel my theory?
I don't need to disprove an unproven theory.
I would settle for a poll on V-Twin Forum.
I'm talking TOTALLY stock Harley's. Not even grips changed.
Most people say "I have kept mine stock except for... grips... blah blah... mirrors... blather..."
A totally stock used bike is a rare beast.
 

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Rare Beast indeed.
It's funny cause sometimes a rare car in the hot rod world is such because no one wanted one........lol
I can't imagine that being possible here though, even dark years.
 

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I don't need to disprove an unproven theory.
I would settle for a poll on V-Twin Forum.
I'm talking TOTALLY stock Harley's. Not even grips changed.
Most people say "I have kept mine stock except for... grips... blah blah... mirrors... blather..."
A totally stock used bike is a rare beast.
Ummm, parts do wear out (yes grips too) and stock replacements can be discontinued.
NOS isn’t always available.
But for what it’s worth, I can return my current bike to your defined stock in 30 minutes.


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Its a copy of my high school car I had, only it was a f code which made it a 302. I posted back a few years about accidentally finding it, well it just popped up for sale and long story short the title was still in my name when I sold it back in 88.

Its same year as mine 1970 Torino GT M code which is the 351 Cleveland 4v, 4 speed and 3;70 gears.

Joe I just wanted to recreate my old car the way I wanted to back then when I didn't have the money then, lol. Including my favorite factory color on this, Calypso Coral.

NOW if it was the J code that be the Cobra Torino, she'd be a pure bred then.
Dude, I understand that completely. I'm witcha.

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Now THAT'S a bike I would leave just as it is. Except to ride it and fuss over it.
 
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