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Pelosi prays "all the time" for Bush to change policies:hmmm:


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Sunday that she prays for President Bush to change his policies “all the time” and specifically has prayed for him to sign SCHIP legislation that would expand health insurance for uninsured children.

“First of all, I pray for President Bush all the time, and I pray especially hard that he would sign the children’s health bill because it’s so important for America’s children,” she said on Fox News Sunday. “I pray that he makes the right decisions for the American people.”

But she added she doesn’t pray specifically “for a political outcome.”

“We just pray that God’s will be done. We pray for the children, we pray for poor people, we pray for people who need help,” she said. “And we always, always, always pray for our men and women in uniform who make our freedom to pray possible."

Pelosi also said she disagrees with her party’s major Democratic presidential nominees on whether there should be a continued U.S. troop presence in Iraq in 2013.

At last month’s Democratic presidential debate, Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y), Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and former Sen. John Edwards all declined to pledge to remove all U.S forces from Iraq by 2013.

“I think the Democrats in the House of Representatives are much more optimistic than that,” Pelosi said on Fox News Sunday. “My view would be much more optimistic than what our presidential candidates are saying.”
 

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Christiananity has no real political affiliation-but I am betting that Jesus would have leaned towards being a Democrat.
 

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hheeehhheee

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Christiananity has no real political affiliation-but I am betting that Jesus would have leaned towards being a Democrat.

in the accent of your esteemed guvenator "dats uh guud vun":wavey:
 

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in the accent of your esteemed guvenator "dats uh guud vun":wavey:
hmmm...let's think about that...

Jesus was a jewish carpenter. His teachings are chrisitiantiy. His followers were the fundamental underpinnings of Islam. So clearly the judeo-christian tradition is one linked to Jesus. So what do those three religions of 3 billion people teach about the 5 most important socal issues in comparison with republicans and democrats?

1. Abortion?
All three religions have historically taught abortion as murder. Democrats? nope. Republicans? Yep.

2. Social Justice?
All three religions have historically taught that each human is responsible for their own behavior in both reward and punishment. Democrats? nope. Republicans? Yep.

3. Death Penalty?
All three religions have historically taught that the death penalty is acceptable as means of punishment when performed as self defense. Democrats? nope. Repubicans? Yep

4. Economics
All three religions teach that charity is a personal decision. That coveting, stealing, and stealing are sins. Democrats? nope. Republicans? Yep.

5. Church and State
All three religions teach that faith is the most important part of an individuals life and that his relationship with the state is to be a direct response to that faith. Democrats? nope. Republicans? yep.

I don't mean to suggest that Jesus would be a republican, I think he would consider the democrats to be the pharisees and the republicans to be the saudecees. But this concept that democrats have of themselves being the socially conscious party is absurd. The democratic party is a socialist party and has been since FDR. They are in the process of sinking dangerously close to communisim. And communism is the antithesis of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
 

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Good points 1 - 5, DJW.
I think a last point would be that Jesus was always talking about personal conduct and not about how a government should conduct itself.
I think Jesus knew the traps that would open if a theocracy was the basis of a government.
 

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Point # 1 is arguably true, that doesn't mean it's right or wrong (as ultra conservative Christians see it)...2, 3, 4 & 5 are opinions shared by you and others that see things that way...but that's why everyone else sees through the BS idea that the Republicans "own" God and morality...and most are just as sick of that arrogant stance as they are the thought that Republicans are the only Patriots...

I'm more middle of the road than most posting here, maybe a little left leaning on a few issues as well as right leaning on others and like the rest of America (the majority) I say bullsh*t...the I'm superior crap has to stop if we hope to EVER work towards unity in this great land...

As usual this is just another attempt to outrage folks here so you can debate them on another nonexistent "issue"...there are just as many thieves and morally corrupt in the Republican party as there is in the Democratic party...
 

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Thats a losing bet. Christ doesn't lean either way. He is the center.
He'd likely vote Democrat if he heard all this crap posted here...
 

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Jesus was a Jew during the Roman occupation of Israel. He didn't involve himself in the politics of that era. Part of the Jewish establishment's frustration with him was that they were very much hoping for a savior who would be an earthly king and save them from the Romans. Jesus didn't meet their expectations.

There is no reason to believe he would be any more involved in politics now than he was then.

Jesus probably wouldn't vote at all.
 

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Jesus was a Jew during the Roman occupation of Israel. He didn't involve himself in the politics of that era. Part of the Jewish establishment's frustration with him was that they were very much hoping for a savior who would be an earthly king and save them from the Romans. Jesus didn't meet their expectations.

There is no reason to believe he would be any more involved in politics now than he was then.

Jesus probably wouldn't vote at all.
He was involved in politics, just not what the Jews wanted. He did infer that the Rome must be obeyed, when he said about taxiation, "Render to Ceaser what is Ceaser's", after showing his face on the coin. The idea that common law and religious law should be the same is preposteras. Common law must be kept and the fewer laws, the better.

The masses have a common law, the Constitution and Bill of Rights, state law and local codes. We live under these rules so that we can live in this society.
Some of us have another Book of Rules. Mine is the same as most Christians, but I might take these rules differently than others.

Common law is fair because we are not imposing others' religious laws on those who have another or none. It is not for me to tell others how to live, I can show them, but it is up to them. I do not judge others, that is up to the Father. More laws is not the answer.

Christ Himself did work on the sabbath, when something needed doing. He showed us the spirit of the law, not the letter of it.
 

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I've posted it before, so I won't do it again but the quote about ceaser has nothing to do with obeying Rome.

Everything Christ did was religious, and was in conflict with politics. Does that mean he wasn't political? No it, means he did it regardless of the political consequences.

Name one single "common" law, that isn't Judeo-Christian teaching.
 

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It's not Jesus I am worried about. It is the blind followers that have me concerned. People who can't think for themselves. Those who treat the written word as absolute. People who discard common sense in the name of their religion.
 

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DJW said:
hmmm...let's think about that...

Jesus was a jewish carpenter. His teachings are chrisitiantiy. His followers were the fundamental underpinnings of Islam. So clearly the judeo-christian tradition is one linked to Jesus. So what do those three religions of 3 billion people teach about the 5 most important socal issues in comparison with republicans and democrats?

1. Abortion?
All three religions have historically taught abortion as murder. Democrats? nope. Republicans? Yep.

2. Social Justice?
All three religions have historically taught that each human is responsible for their own behavior in both reward and punishment. Democrats? nope. Republicans? Yep.

3. Death Penalty?
All three religions have historically taught that the death penalty is acceptable as means of punishment when performed as self defense. Democrats? nope. Repubicans? Yep

4. Economics
All three religions teach that charity is a personal decision. That coveting, stealing, and stealing are sins. Democrats? nope. Republicans? Yep.

5. Church and State
All three religions teach that faith is the most important part of an individuals life and that his relationship with the state is to be a direct response to that faith. Democrats? nope. Republicans? yep.

I don't mean to suggest that Jesus would be a republican, I think he would consider the democrats to be the pharisees and the republicans to be the saudecees. But this concept that democrats have of themselves being the socially conscious party is absurd. The democratic party is a socialist party and has been since FDR. They are in the process of sinking dangerously close to communisim. And communism is the antithesis of the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Like all religious people -- whether it's Nancy Pelosi or George Bush -- you cherry-pick the tenets that you agree with and conveniently ignore those you do not. But even by that standard, your understanding of what the three major religions teach in each of your five categories is incredibly narrow. Only someone who's true faith is ultra-conservative Republicanism can believe that the "social justice" preached by Christ, for example, boiled down to each person is "is responsible for their own behavior in both reward and punishment." I guess Jesus didn't really say you should give your cloak as well to someone who asks for your shirt. What he really said was "**** him. Let him freeze. It's his own fault he's cold."

But the really pathetic portion of your post is the Democratic Party being "socialist" since FDR. Are you kidding me? Calling people communists who don't share your narrow views is really old. You need to learn a new tune. The truth is we might very well BE a socialist country if it hadn't been for FDR. You don't know how lucky you are.
 

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DJW said:
I've posted it before, so I won't do it again but the quote about ceaser has nothing to do with obeying Rome.
The Quote had a lot to say about obeying civil authorities, it was about paying taxes. The people were incensenced about paying taxes to rome when they also gave to the temple. The temple was thier goverment for years before the Romans came. The temple still demanded their tribute and the Romans were squeezing them also. When asked about it, Jesus asked whose face was on the money. When they replied Cesaer's, Jesus told them to give to Cesaer what is Cesaer's. That spoke volumes about obeying the civil authorities. Jesus was the one who came to help them, but the people blindly thought that it was with thier troubles with Rome, when it was help against the temple which had become their own worst enemy.

Jesus did say that the poor will always be with us, but he also went on to help the poor. He told the "fat cats" to put thier money down and follow Him. These people had another god, money and/or power. They weren't about to give it up.

Does this sound familiar?
 

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I never cease to be amazed at how broad the brush strokes are when people talk about religion or politics.

"Everybody who is [blank] believes [blank] and does [blank] and does not know what I, a [blank], believe. Therefore I don't trust nor like anybody who is [blank]."

There is the template. You are all welcome to use it and just fill in the blanks. Maybe it will make communication easier.
 

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Money is the religion of politics. EVERY US Senator and Congressman sucks the ass of corporate America in order to screw Mr and Mrs America. We as Americans, entitled to a government "by and for the people", have let them fleece us of our interests. The preamble to the Constitution should read "We the stupid sheep" not we the people.
 

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dhwingert said:
Jesus was a Jew during the Roman occupation of Israel. He didn't involve himself in the politics of that era. Part of the Jewish establishment's frustration with him was that they were very much hoping for a savior who would be an earthly king and save them from the Romans. Jesus didn't meet their expectations.

There is no reason to believe he would be any more involved in politics now than he was then.

Jesus probably wouldn't vote at all.
You hit the nail on the head. Democrat or Republican...does not matter. What we are individually not collectively is important.
 
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