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I just thought it was funny that the CEOs went to Washington begging for money to bail out their companies, and took MILLION DOLLAR PRIVATE JETS:hystria:
They have to be the most retarded people I've seen, and then when asked to take a salary cut out of good faith... THEY REFUSED
Let them fail.... Their EGOS WILL BE TO BLAME

 

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Seems to me that whether they get the BAILOUT or not the American people get the shaft. That really bothers me alot. Simply put, it was not the American people, or taxpayers who put those companies in the hole, it was GREEDY CEO's, and unscrupulous UNION orginizations that crashed those companies, and now it is us who will have to continue to pay these sorry sacks of excremite... Let em' go, and quit taking from the poor to give to the greedy rich fat cat CEO's, and the OVER PAID, UNDERSKILLED UNIONS.

 

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The Detroit News? That figures. Seems to me they were the ones pushing the "K" car as a "Future Classic".
Maxx

EXACTLY... You cannot rely on any "NEWS" story that comes out of Detroit when it comes to the BAILOUT. Thats like reading a story written about Hurricane Katrina that came out of New Orleans... It's biased!

 

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as opposed to the experts here...great point...

Come on TOMV... You know that it is required that everyone who becomes a memeber of V-Twin Forum have a PHD in ECONOMICS, and is a Law Proffessor, and they have to be an expert in Political Analysis! LOL

 

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Now Tom, Lets not get all testy.
I'm just tired of paying the price for others ineptitude, greed and laziness. The automakers made this bed. Sure, I bet your vehicles are light years ahead of where they were when a lot of us got this bad taste in our mouths, but it's there. They screwed the golden pooch. Treated us like sh!t. Now they say "Pay Up or else".
Well I'll take a big heaping pile of "or else" please. I'm tired of having the union gun to my head and there's a whole lot of us that feel the same way.

Maxx

@gree:... Well SAID

 

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TOMV,
It's not that I don't want to see the BIG 3 get on their collective feet, and start doing buisiness that makes Americans proud, and if I thought that this BAILOUT money would go to furthering the advancement of this I would be 100% behind it...

BUT, hers's the deal. The majority of Americans (including myself) no longer have faith in these companies. They have swendled, and spent the money they had ridiculously. Is this BAILOUT gonna go where it is needed? Who knows, and if it doesn't what happens? Congress gonna take the money back? YEAH RIGHT. They will never see that money again. I hope that I am wrong, and if I am and they prosper and do the right thing then TOMV I will personally come on here and post that you were right, and I was a fool, as well as fly to where ever you are and buy you a beer. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

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Seems to be like a lot of people just don't get it..standing on principle and saying "let em go down...they deserve it". The problem is...the rest of America will suffer as well if it happens. The whole national economy is intertwined with the auto industry and if the auto industry collapses, we'll ALL pay a huge price for it...

We all understand that, but our point is ARE THEY GONNA DO RIGHT WITH THE MONEY? If we give them the money and they swendle it all, and they still go BANKRUPT that means we'll end up paying for it twice... That's all we are saying, if we give em' the money and they do right then GREAT, but will they?

 

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I think it all boils down to this... Like it has been said, we're being put into a situation where they are telling us you can spend this much and save us, or let us go bankrupt and it'll cost you this much... And the bottom line is that it is not fair that it has been put on us. Why are we being held accountable for the CEO's who lost touch with their customers, and the UNIONS who held the CEO's hostage for money? Why is it our responsibility? Like I said before, let's say we do say O.K. let's bail em' out... What is it? 30 billion... O.K. We give it to em' and they do it again, now they're goin BANKRUPT, we've already given them 30 BILLION, and now we are gonna hafta pay what is it, 4 times that much for their BANKRUPCY? That's a load of BULL. So what do you do? Do we put our faith in them give them the money and hope for the best, or do we just let them fight their way through this, hope they make it, and if they don't pay the money then? It's a scary thing, and the sad part is... This really shouldn't be in our laps.

 

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We come on here to discuss situations and express our views... Sometimes we are civilized, other times things break down into a name calling fest, but thats what we do. I like getting on here regardless of what I can actually do about something and talking to people to find out what everyone thinks about whats going on. We're not on here changing the world, we're just killing time, discussing things with people who enjoy the same great pass time as we do. You don't hafta tell us that we cannot change what they do, we know that, we're just talking. And yes it is in our laps Scot... Who do you think is gonna pay for all of this bro?

 

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The other problem is that what are they gonna hide in this bill... So far there is a raise for judges across the board hidden in this, so what else are they gonna throw in it? They are either gonna use other terms to get the bill passed, or they're throwing in enough crap to keep it from getting passed... Who knows what they are up to? I guess we will have to wait and see what all they do with it.

 

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OK... OK... OK... Let's get back to the original topic on here. Should they bail out Motorcycle Manufacturers? They don't have to... The people at HD MOCO keep up with what the public wants. They may lose some buisiness, but they will not get that far in the hole. The BIG 3 could take some lessons from the MOCO on how to please your base customers.