Some Get It Some Don't
Uniondog you made some excellent points.
The things I am about to write are from experience, common sense, and just plain reality(52 years worth).
First, history shows us that prior to the inception of unions, the only people making a "decent" living was management. Management even hired thugs and gangsters to keep unions out, they had money for that but not for the work done by their employees ? Believe me, non union shops would not even be possible without the threat of orginization looming all around us !
If anyone were to look at corporate finances you would find that "labor" cost is a small piece of the pie, not what corporate leaders would have you believe. Many union contracted companies have made numerous changes in healthcare and retirement programs in the recent past, all to the benefit of the company. Who do you blame for the rising cost of healthcare ?......doctors, insurance companies, non paying illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, or attornies for all the bogus healthcare lawsuits(not that all are bogus).........many choices, or maybe all of the above.
Now let's see $2 an hour for healthcare and retirement savings = $80 a week in a 40 hour week =approx $320 a month, I don't think that even covers healthcare for a family of 2 or more. Now really, if retirement savings were left up to the indivdual how many of you could really save it and not touch it for 30 years or more ?.....Think long and hard on this one.....for those of you too young to know this, life throws a lot of sh!t at you, especially if like most of us, you have kids !
Now as for unions, not everyone needs a union, I don't personally need a union, I have worked on both sides of that fence. I do however gladly pay my union dues and take an active part. Unions, in some cases, have themselves become like corporations and have questionable leaders. This does not make all union workers corrupt or greedy. For the most part we just want good pay for good work, or a decent living, not looking to become millionares. On that note, we will not make in a lifetime what a CEO makes in a year !
As for those of you who have attended college, what gives you the right to think that you are "worth" more than me ? Is it the student loan that you got yourself into? Maybe you should have had to work your way through college, like we did. Is it your overwhelming knowlege or vast experience ?
I'm sorry but I believe that my 30 years with the same employer and 20 years at my present position(on the job experience) trumps your 4 to 8 years of school ! When you add this experience to your schooling then you DESERVE a higher wage indeed.
As for labels, please don't label me as a conservitive, liberal, democrat, republican, black, white, german, african, polish, etc, etc.....
label me AMERICAN ! As for what I think or believe, call me a free thinking radical, after all that is who formed this great nation, by free thinkers, for free thinkers, of free thinkers !
As for Pikeslayer, don't fool yourself into believing that you know what I think or believe. Do not for one second pretend to know me, if you really knew me, you might be suprised, we could even be friends, I do have very good friends that are Engineers !
However, I am very impressed that you seem to believe that you are the ONLY ONE that has anything constructive to add to this thread, I see this by how you disagree with anyone here that doesn't see things your way.
Please excuse any spelling or grammatical errors as spellcheck and grammer check were not used .