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Okay so I have decided to change out my SE cam plate and oil pump for either the Fueling OE+ pump and plate
Or the S&S TC3 pump and plate. After reading all the tec.info I could lay my paws on I am leaning to the S&S set up. Anyone running either one could you please throw in on this subject for me please. S&S is a wee bit more cash but got a butt load invested on this toy amd want to keep it around for a bit. Thanks for the input in advance.....
 

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I would leave what you have. The S&S is a 3 stage design, an improvement but this is something that isnt broke. Even the stock plate and pump are adequate. Do not raise the pressure. Remember the lifters are not Jack's, so if there is valve train noise oil is not the fix
 

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Okay so I have decided to change out my SE cam plate and oil pump for either the Fueling OE+ pump and plate
Or the S&S TC3 pump and plate. After reading all the tec.info I could lay my paws on I am leaning to the S&S set up. Anyone running either one could you please throw in on this subject for me please. S&S is a wee bit more cash but got a butt load invested on this toy amd want to keep it around for a bit. Thanks for the input in advance.....
Before you spend money on pumps and plates, check the run out on that pinion shaft. If its out past .005 or more, save your money. These high end parts are built for cranks that run true.
 

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Okay so I have decided to change out my SE cam plate and oil pump for either the Fueling OE+ pump and plate
Or the S&S TC3 pump and plate. After reading all the tec.info I could lay my paws on I am leaning to the S&S set up. Anyone running either one could you please throw in on this subject for me please. S&S is a wee bit more cash but got a butt load invested on this toy amd want to keep it around for a bit. Thanks for the input in advance.....

I have the S&S forged plate and pump in both of my TC124 engines. No issues and they do exactly what they are supposed to do. The only thing I have to compare them to is my stock '05 bagger. No issues with the pump and plate in it either.

Have always been a bit suspect of the Fueling stuff as they make some pretty big claims about lowered heat, etc. I used the S&S stuff simply because the first set sort of fell off a truck and I wanted both engines to have as much commonality as possible.
 

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I would leave what you have. The S&S is a 3 stage design, an improvement but this is something that isnt broke. Even the stock plate and pump are adequate. Do not raise the pressure. Remember the lifters are not Jack's, so if there is valve train noise oil is not the fix
I probably should of said that the motor has been redone to a 107 from the stock 96. Woods cam & directional lifters S&S push rods CP Carrillo 11.25 /1 pistons. Even changed out the stock crank bearings when I checked out the run out. HPI 55mm throttle body and 4.9 hi flow injectors
I would leave what you have. The S&S is a 3 stage design, an improvement but this is something that isnt broke. Even the stock plate and pump are adequate. Do not raise the pressure. Remember the lifters are not Jack's, so if there is valve train noise oil is not the fix
I am quite aware of the lifters aren't jacks and of the crank run out if .005 I checked the run out when I put the 107 in it. 11.25/1 CP Carrillo forged pistons Woods cam and directional lifters S&S push rods ported heads 2.0 intake 1.65 exhaust HPI 55MM throttle body ..... all kinds of goodies. Was just asking opinions on the two. Oh and no noise from the valve train. Have okay idle oil pressure of 15 to 20 lbs but the set has 70k on it. The only thing I did nor replace 1500 miles ago when I redid the motor .....
 

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Actual reading on the run out gauge was .0003 used .0005 just as a response. Thought I put less than but then again i was in a hurry to write it. Was at work at the time. My bad....
 

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sometimes your goal,, what you are correcting, in the first post is a great start. rather than..
I built a 107 with alot of great performance parts (well recognized names in first post)
it has a SE pump and plate
I'm looking at fueling and s&s,, which one?
seems like it would be a borderline street engine by compression and cams,, but I dont use woods cams,,,i
 

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I don't think I've ever heard of anyone running any Woods cams with no valve train noise.
 

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There is not any value added to the upgraded pumps unless yours is shot. I personally I think the Daytona twin power pump from Drag Specialties is fine if more oil is a must. More oil is not always a good thing. More oil results in more oil over the bypass equals more heat and more sump oil to contain. Aerated oil is the result. Less time in the oil pan to loose the air
 

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There is not any value added to the upgraded pumps unless yours is shot. I personally I think the Daytona twin power pump from Drag Specialties is fine if more oil is a must. More oil is not always a good thing. More oil results in more oil over the bypass equals more heat and more sump oil to contain. Aerated oil is the result. Less time in the oil pan to loose the air
Really would like to get a little more Scavenging (okay a lot more Scavenging ) and the rebuild abilty is way nice. Plus ajustable from outside on pump pressure of the S&S is really kinda cool. A lot of miles on what I have now so it is more a PM replacement than anything else.
I don't think I've ever heard of anyone running any Woods cams with no valve train noise.
I should of put that this way. Noise is not undesirably loud. So I can handle it ..... my exhaust is rather loud ? but really not that bad.
I have the S&S forged plate and pump in both of my TC124 engines. No issues and they do exactly what they are supposed to do. The only thing I have to compare them to is my stock '05 bagger. No issues with the pump and plate in it either.

Have always been a bit suspect of the Fueling stuff as they make some pretty big claims about lowered heat, etc. I used the S&S stuff simply because the first set sort of fell off a truck and I wanted both engines to have as much commonality as possible.
Wish I could have one fall off a truck for me. Lucky you are bro to be sure.
I also wondered at the 30degree claim for Fueling....
 

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I have been running a Fueling Cam plate and pump for a year or two now and I have been happy with it.


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I have been running a Fueling Cam plate and pump for a year or two now and I have
I would leave what you have. The S&S is a 3 stage design, an improvement but this is something that isnt broke. Even the stock plate and pump are adequate. Do not raise the pressure. Remember the lifters are not Jack's, so if there is valve train noise oil is not the fix
No problems
I would leave what you have. The S&S is a 3 stage design, an improvement but this is something that isnt broke. Even the stock plate and pump are adequate. Do not raise the pressure. Remember the lifters are not Jack's, so if there is valve train noise oil is not the fix
No problem with what I have save a lot of miles on it. It is more of a PM thing.
been happy with it.


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Does it really lower the temp 30 degrees like they claim it does?
You mean like the Tornado air cleaner....LOL
Lmwao that's why I am learning course the S&S. I mean really that is kind of a dubious claim.
 

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I dont know about 30 deg, but I live in the south and heat can be a problem. What I am about to say is not something I can claim as fact, but when I was running an SE pump and plate hot summer days the valve train would get noisy as hell, with the setup I have now, that is not an issue. Now there nay be a multitude of reasons from the install, push rod adjustments and on and on. But the difference was very noticeable.
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I put the feuling HP+ kit in my TC88 this winter along with reaper .525 cams. My main reason for doing so was that it was time to replace my cam chain tensioners, I liked the hydraulic tensioner and my local performance shop recommended feuling. My crank shaft runout measured .002

Only a few miles on it so far but everything seemed well made, no issues during installation, other than the PITA adjustable pushrods/covers. Engine is much quieter than prior to this upgrade. Whether that's due to increased oiling/pressure or just quieter tappets and pushrods, I can't say. I don't have an oil temp gauge so I can't confirm the lower temperature claim.
 

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Cams and lifter choices are a larger influence on noise. Concentric valve seats also.
It is possible to get the twin cam to run very quiet without any special oil pump or cam plate. Rocker Lockers are part of the equation too.
 
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