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With the Kalifornia Air Resources Board(goddam nazis) set to ruin motorcycles as we know them in 2006, it seems that sooner rather than later our sleds will be waterpumpers. With this in mind, the Motor Company will probably not touch Softails, but instead put some version of the V-rod motor in a FLH touring bike. Would you buy a 105HP Ultra?
 

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Would have to see it and ride it, if it has 100+TQ to go with it I might. As soon as people realize the true maintenance and repair expenses of the waterboy they might change their mind. It might take a while as the waterboys are barhoppers and don't accumulate any serious mileage.

Then again a FJR1300 is a bitchi'n sport touring bike and costs 11K
 

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jefro, eventually all internal combustion engines will be water cooled 4 strokes because of the socialists. The revolution engine variations that will power the '06 dressers will have an undersquare bore with more low end torque. I disagree with HIPPO, in that when the revolution engine is out of the initial phase of developement, about 3 years, the operational costs will be lower. Also, this Showerhead, when time allows, likes to visit bars in other towns.

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JMS, you mean Silent Silver Fellow dont you ? :)

Hippo, are you telling me there is less maintenance and longer life with an Air cooled motor as opposed to a Watercooled ?

I dont know about the mileage thing, I've had mine since the second week of Sept. and have 2500 some on it. No probs so far except for a valve cover gasket with a slight weep, which the dealership fixed.

I would expect to have around 12-15,000 on it by Sept. of next year. Do you consider that low mileage or average ?
 

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I'm not really that familiar with the V Rod engine, but I agree w/ Hippo, that if it had 100+ ........ My BMW r1100rt has 90 hp , with less weight, and although i like the Harley more for many other easons, the HP is sure nice if you want to pass at 80 or 90.
 

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15K a year is just slighly below average but I don't consider it normal for a waterboy from what I see around here, most of them have very low mileage. I'll wager you are the exception rather then the rule.

Which one is going to live longer remains to be seen but the repair costs on the waterboy will be enormous compared to the TC and not only because you will be locked into dealers which are notoriously pricey and the DIY is to a large extent taken away from you. Many components that can be remachined on the TC's will have to be replaced on the waterboy and guess who has the monopoly on the parts.

As of now there isn't a single indy that has any interest on working on them for various reasons, but granted this might change in a couple of years if there is a significant amount of these engines on the road.

Time will tell.
 

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I have 9500 miles and only trouble has been a minor oil leak, fixed at 5000 service, otherwise only 10 months old with almost 10k miles.
Very very happy and would be first to buy another water harley.
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As someone said in another forum, I don't think the present watercooled engine would have the torque to haul around a bagger.(Jefro, I see you subscribe to www.j-pcycles.com also :) ) From other comments, while it is quick engine, low-end torque leaves much to be desired.
 

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I personally don't think the air-cooled engine is going away. Harley's keeping the wolves at bay for a few years and, with some strong lobbying, should win a reprieve as the deadline nears. Even in Kalifornia. Tradition has been the strength of Harley-Davidson and they will not allow the government to destroy that without putting up one hell of a fight.

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If it's a good bike and it fits my purpose, I'd buy a water-cooled H-D bagger.
 

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I agree with FXDean. I don't think the air cooled V-twin will go way. I think the moco is working hard to try to meet epa standards with an air cooled engine too. I do think you will see more revolution type engines on other H-D bikes, but I don't think the air cooled engine will completely go away.
 

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Yeah, I never really thought about that Hippo. I guess I just kind of assumed valves are valves, etc. I met a guy in Bloomington about a month ago at a Station, who was getting ready to roll over 100k on his e-glide. :cool: . He said he hasn't done sh*t to the bike except change a voltage regulator or something. That's not too bad. Still, I would think I could get more miles out of a liquid cooled before I had to do a Top on it.

If memory serves correct, I had to do a Top on my Shovel when it had around 80k on it. No big deal, since I did everything except the machinework myself. I found out when I took it down, that I'm not much of a Painter too. :D

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I was gonna say d*mn !! What do you consider average mileage ? Then I looked at your tag and seen you're in Arizona. Must be nice.
 

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I'd be very suprised if the average Harley, V-rod or otherwise gets more than 4000 miles exercise per year in states where we have four real seasons.
 

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Easy Call

It's an easy call for me. Certainly, I would buy a H/D Touring bike with a water cooled engine. IMHO, the "torque" issue will be revolved. The Honda GoldWing is a water cooled platform with a 100 hp out of the box. I'm looking forward to that sort of performance from a stock H/D product.
 

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As far as Stock bikes go, I'm not sure what you guys are talking about concerning TQ issues ? I thought the peak rw HP and TQ on a tc88 were around 60 and 70 respectively, and on a V-Rod around 104 and 70 respectively.

What would be the diff between running a stock tc88 bagwagon and a stock v-pig powered bagwagon ? :confused:
 

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I hope that Harley is putting that big new design center to good use. It must just stick in thier craw that Harley went from the biggest V twin on the road to the smallest. I would think they should be designing an engine like that vtx 1800 honda . I would love to see an engine like that in a dresser. 1100cc is too small. There is no substitute for cu in.
 

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Fugly has a good point. If both motors make 70 fp of torque, what's the difference. And a WaterGlide would surely be tuned for even more low end grunt.
 

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jefro, the difference is where the torque is made, at what rpm. For a dresser you want the torque at low rpm. H-D will be making the Revo in an undersquare bore to emulate the present TC88. Everyone, well almost everyone, will be happy.

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logical said:
I'd be very suprised if the average Harley, V-rod or otherwise gets more than 4000 miles exercise per year in states where we have four real seasons.
We have for real seasons in Virginia, they're just mild. (except for summer, which is a hot, muggy, nasty biatch).

I have 7800 miles on my RK since May, I know others have much more.
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logical said:
I'd be very suprised if the average Harley, V-rod or otherwise gets more than 4000 miles exercise per year in states where we have four real seasons.
We definitely have four seasons here in the Bluegrass State. I log about 16,000 miles a year despite this fact. This may not be average , but then neither am I !:D LOL.
 
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