Finally got her all done. Thanx to all the vrod posters on this site, I love the sound of the 16 ga. SE, and the Sundowner seat is even better than I hoped! I'll get a better pic when the daylight and the rain finally decide not to spend so much time together. Again, I really just want to say how much I appreciate how much the posts from other VR owners helped me start to build the bike of my dreams! -Peace-out!