'sorry, Sheepboy. I've either purchased the bags, had someone construct them for me or have hard bags already on the bike. I understand your feeling about bags--they're a very personal part of your bike. Have you tried a leather shop or a shoe shop? Sometimes the folks there work on saddlebags. Just a thought. And another thought: several newer bags use something that generically can be called "ghost brackets", which may or may not involve installation of a solid backing on a leather bag.