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Hey mini-bike rider, if you ride a Harley learn what the models are. Even your little video says V-rod, which isn't a softail, and the one in the video looks to be a Frankenstein creation. And a real V-rod would eat your little sportster. And if you ride more then 50 miles I'd take the softail any day.
Hey slug land barge rider ...I don't give a ****.. The Softtail handles like a bulldozer compared to Sportster and has been beaten every light to light street race I've ever seen against a 1200. The thread originator himself beat the over-hyped 83 EVERY time. IF the V rod was soo good it'd still be in production but it was a POS & a huge money pit for HD. The Sportster is THE best motorcycle HD had ever made which v is why (63) SIXTY THREE yrs later it IS still in production. V rod = junk!
 

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Reading a book about The Hells Angels and noted that (according to the Author) alot of them moved over to or stayed with the Sportsters in the 70's because its quicker to accelaerate and easier to handle in tight places.Can anyone verify this? In my area we have alot of Bandidos and most of them seem to prefer the Dyna models

0I've owned an FXR, 2 Dynas and 3 years ago traded in my 2010 Custom Road Glide and bought a new 2016 48. My 48 is smoother and way more fun on the freeway and around town than all my past Big Twins. I don't tour so I don't take long trips but a hundred miles is no big deal on my bike. When the 48 came out in 2010 I fell in love with the bike. Than I test rode it and it was like riding a hard tail. Fast forward to 2016 and I saw this green (olive gold) at my local dealership and had to have it. With updated wheels and suspension the ride was amazing to match the looks of the cycle. Traded in my bagger and haven't looked back.

Tired of seeing all the hate of sporties online and ignorance of the most bulletproof Harley makes. I haven't written here in a looooong time and wanted to here from any of you riders. Especially from those Sportster riders who have compared all the styles and chose the "girl bike".


The sportster is not a girlie bike. It sprang from the Harley racing division back in the mid 50’s. I bought mine new in 1968 and it was a great bike in my college town surrounded by 2 lane county roads through the Hoosier National Forest.

It out ran anybike back then including Vets and other super cars. The Japanese 3 cylinder bikes in the early 70’s were quicker but uncomfortable and had a short useful life. The Sporster still lives, they do not.

The stock full size baggers didn’t have the acceleration of the stock sporster for 40 years. It was “the” bike and still looks, rides and sounds great (drag pipes). You can still find 2 versions of it on the dealer floors.

I had the 883 and now the 1690 Heritage (2012). Rode the sporty for 11 years without any mechanical problems. Chopped it. Wish I still had it.



First HD I ever wanted was an '86 883. Didn't have the $3995 to pony up for one. Fast forward to 2019. In May bought an '05 Custom that has been....well....customed. Then 2 weeks later bought an Iron 1200 on the Freedom Promise deal. Almost got the '48 Special because of the cool tank logo, but anyway I finally have the Sportster itch scratched. It's a great handling bike and gets better fuel economy than I thought it would. And the 1200 has plenty of stock power and so far have left it that way. The '05 is carbed and drag pipes with lollipops completes that scene. I love them both. I may end up trading the Iron for a Soft-tail later, but that will depend on what the dealer has at the time, and what mood I'm in. I have a big Honda for touring so I really don't need another one that size. As far as the girl bike thing or ribbing anyone's choice of brand/size/engine etc, I've heard a ton of junk over the years and don't really care. No one makes my payments and my happiness is not contingent on what other people think anyway.


To each their own..... everyone has different aspirations for what they want out of a motorcycle. We all deal with the HD haters crowd..... of course most of em hate because they really desire a Harley Davidson.... best to ignore the haters.... ride and enjoy whatever you have!



It's kind of like wearing a pink shirt. Do you really give a flying fock what anybody else thinks about how you dress or what you ride? I damn sure don't. I wear what I want, ride what I want, and do what I want (if my wife let's me). FWIW, my wife has a pink sporty that I ride occasionally. She's looking at another back surgery and can't ride for now, so I take it out for a spin every now and then. It's a blast to ride, but if I am going to be out all day, I prefer my Dyna or Ultra.


We all deal with the HD haters crowd..... of course most of em hate because they really desire a Harley Davidson....

Could be the reason there's so many imitations.

It's kind of like wearing a pink shirt. Do you really give a flying fock what anybody else thinks about how you dress or what you ride? I damn sure don't. I wear what I want, ride what I want, and do what I want (if my wife let's me). FWIW, my wife has a pink sporty that I ride occasionally. She's looking at another back surgery and can't ride for now, so I take it out for a spin every now and then. It's a blast to ride, but if I am going to be out all day, I prefer my Dyna or Ultra.

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Hatorade ... Cute ... Probably rides a Sportster. :devil

Hated my XLCH ... Just like the Limey bikes, the shifter was on the wrong damn side! (I never could get used to that.)

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#10 • Aug 3, 2019

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#11 • Aug 3, 2019

Nothing wrong with a Sportster. I loved my 17 XL883N, I just was bedazzled when I found a Heritage in Olive Gold and got a great deal.

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#12 • Aug 3, 2019

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Tired of seeing all the hate of sporties online and ignorance of the most bulletproof Harley makes. I haven't written here in a looooong time and wanted to here from any of you riders. Especially from those Sportster riders who have compared all the styles and chose the "girl bike".

Your riding a Harley? Why would anyone buy one? Tired of all the hate?
Get over it!
If we were to listen to all the Harley haters everyone would be on a Wing or a Crotch Rocket. Whatever a person chooses to ride is entirely up to the one one the saddle. I have friends who I ride with, their rides: a 250 Ninja, another rides a Sporty, a group I ride with are 90% Wings, and Winged Trikes. One other rides an Ultra. My son rides a Honda 1800. I have owned Sportys and a FX now a Ultra. Its no ones business what I ride or why. Seriously, grow some hide or go kawasaki, who gives a eFF!

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#13 • Aug 3, 2019

@bobf I see you lurkin’. You know you want to...

Just say it.

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#14 • Aug 4, 2019

Only person that can allow you to feel inferior about your choice is you. If you like the bike and it fits your needs, who gives a chit what other people think. I have a '19 Iron 883 that I love and may never get rid of, even if I do upgrade to something bigger someday.

You know when other people's opinion's matter to me? When they're paying the damn note, that's when.

Ride your bike. Enjoy life. Don't let the little chit get you down. You'll be happier and live longer. :wink

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#15 • Aug 4, 2019

I haven't ridden a sportster since around 1980 - 81. I didn't like them, as I didn't feel comfortable on them. Forks always seemed too vertical and distance from seat to bars was too short. They were a little on the top heavy side for my liking.

Having said that, I will say they had a loyal following and I can understand why some folks would really like them. Different strokes for different folks.

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#16 • Aug 4, 2019

Well I was going to let this pass, but. I've ridden for over 60 years, everything from a Whizzer to a Harley. In between there were German bikes, Austrian bikes, Japanese bikes, American bikes, Chinese bikes, everything, loved them all!! I rode ,( and still have), a Lifan LF250 Chinese 250 , that I have ridden over 80,000 miles, had to sell my Sportster, but had over 30000 miles on it. None of these bikes were perfect, but all were loved and all did the job.
DON'T LET ANYONE PUT DOWN YOUR BIKE, WHATEVER IT IS!

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#17 • Aug 4, 2019

Old friend was old school biker. Mentioned getting a Sporty. Gave me the look, scratched at his beard " Why do you want half a Harley? " RIP Virgil.

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#18 • Aug 4, 2019

JLR said:

I haven't ridden a sportster since around 1980 - 81. I didn't like them, as I didn't feel comfortable on them. Forks always seemed too vertical and distance from seat to bars was too short. They were a little on the top heavy side for my liking.

Having said that, I will say they had a loyal following and I can understand why some folks would really like them. Different strokes for different folks.

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As much as I love my Iron, I'd totally agree with you on the parts I bolded. I definitely know that I'll get more comfortable with more seat time, but I'm definitely drawn to a Softail, Tourer, or Trike (only way wife will 2-up) as my next scoot.

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#19 • Aug 5, 2019

I wanted a Sportster, so I bought one. I've ridden big twins, most recently a '15 Deluxe, and it was not my ideal bike. The Sporty hits all the right notes, and I have a long list of plans for it. Sportsters are the guardian angel of HD. Without 'em, the company probably would have folded long ago.

You've heard the disparaging comments like "Half a Harley" or "Girl's Bike" along with many others levied against the Sportster bysome in the Big Twin crowd. If so. How come it's faster than the BigTwin is? How come it's been the Factory racer in differing events for forty years now? What about the Buell, Harley's answer to Japanese super bikes, being based on the Sportster It has always had superior technology and Been more nimble than its brother, the Big Twin.

Back in the Sixties, The Sporty led the charge when an Englishike-dominated sport converted first to the "Milwaukee Limey." Speaking of the old days, when watching early biker movies, you see the "real deal" riding their beloved "CH's" that today have become living legends? Nobody I know laughs at or puts down these guys. Yes, the "CH" is short for the brutal, knee-busting, kick start Sportster. Don't look like no half-Harley to me even though that's what some call it. Please take this last statement from where it's coming from…not me. But it's a comment I hear time and again from those in Harleydom who wish to pick on their own instead of fighting those who attack from the outside. Yeah, so they call it a Girl's bike in a derisive manner. This connotes frailty that inhibits them from handling "a man's bike."

Well if you think about it, a smaller, physically weaker person would be better suited to a Softail with a lower seat height, a lower center of gravity and a set of front forks that pivot more easily on a smaller contact patch, skinny 21" wheel. That's if you think. Sportsters feel as if they have a higher center of gravity, making them seemingly more awkward to the uninitiated and you need long legs to touch the ground They'll pop a wheelie without even thinking about it. And light to light, try to beat one, with a "bigger" Harley, like a Softail for instance. A customer of mine is a seemingly mild mannered pharmacist. He wins about $500 bucks a month racing Big Twins on his 883 converted to a 1200. He hasn't even reached for the big gun yet….the 1200S with a hundred ponies at the rear wheel. I guess everybody's mad at me by now, but it needs to be said.

So why on earth does Harley make this bike, its entry-level model? It's harder to learn on and it's the prototype for its factory racers-in order to prove it has a superior product in terms of speed. I don't understand it. As what should be isn't, and what isn't should be. I know, I know.

The real reason the Sportster is the entry-level bike is that it's cheaper than the Big Twin models. Just wait until feminism gets a firmer grip in the last bastion of chauvinism, Harleydom and deals with "the Girl's Bike syndrome" and its connotations of weakness. It'll be fun to watch for those who love a good winnable fight. Now how about the men who ride and must put up with this reverse discrimination? Maybe feminism will wipe the slate clean. Or maybe, those who are free thinkers and strong of mind already know that the Girl's Bike has dominated Flat Track racing…you know, where you go full speed around corners with no brakes….and hill climbing…a brutal sport for the brave where Sportsters go up hills not suited for motorcycles.

Now, how about the wheelie kings. You know, in a man's world, anyone who can do the block long wheelie, shifting gears as they pose dangerously on one wheel, scraping the rear fender on the asphalt, shooting up sparks as they roar by, are more Often than not on the Sportster. Motor builders have long recognized the superior technology used by Harley in the Sportster, some examples of which are:
a. Pushrods that go straight up and down instead of wild angles like in the Big Twin; or
b. Did you ever wonder where the three-hole crankpin you buy aftermarket to replace the single oiling hole factory one in your Big Twin came from? You got it, standard factory issue since the beginning in the Sportster; or
c. The trochoid (rotor) oil pump, standard issue since 1977 on the Sportster, produces both high pressure and high volume while the lowly Big Twin still has a gear-driven pump that only produces moderate pressure and volume. Straighter pushrods along with the 3 hole oiling crankpin and the trochoid oil pump have all been adapted into the new Fathead Twin Cam 88's.

Here's another one. What other Harley, or motorcycle for that matter, has crippled more people than the legendary Sportster kickstart? If rebounding compression isn't dislocating the knee or throwing the rider over the handlebars then the slip-through kick start gears extend the leg past where its supposed to go….snapping the kneecap. "Sportster knee", the tell tale limp, familiar with riders of the era is a badge of honor. The electric start has saved a whole generation from this mind numbing pain. Even the mass media glorified the Sportster a long time before it recognized the "old man's" bike, the Big Twin.

Oops, I have to watch the reverse discrimination. Then Came Bronson" was the first and only TV Harley hero who traversed America, meeting every challenge society could throw at him
on his Sportster XLCH. In the late seventies and early eighties, some bank robber gangs even used the Sportster as a get away vehicle…faster than the Big Twin police bikes and more nimble through traffic.

Last but not least…..Evil Knieval. I never saw him riding a Big Twin. He is a Sportster man….all the way to the hospital and right back on them again The much maligned Sportster doesn't look like a bike for the frail or weak of mind to me.

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When the Harley fired up, It sounded like a pitbull on crack (it was sportin drag pipes). Dozens of guys turned their heads as big grins flashed over their faces. Mentally I could hear them all doing the Tim Allen "oh oh OH". As the rider left he blew a yellow light at full throttle in 2nd gear. The waves of V-twin ear cand

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thats a very interesting read. i never knew that stuff before. now if i can just remember some of those key points when someone calls my bike "half a harley".

being new to all this im trying to learn as much as possible.

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#3 • Dec 6, 2002

Misguided, very good. I agree. I dont give a rat's ass what someone else thinks about my 1200 custom. I have never felt those bigger scoots looked very good anyways and costed a hell of a lot more than mine. Each to there own I have always said.

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#4 • Dec 6, 2002

I think a lot of people give the sportster some crap just cause it's smaller is all. I've got nothing against them myself, and agree that if you're looking for performance, a sportster is the way to go. Even though they have a taller seat height, they're just too small for me. They do get a bum rap a lot of times.

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#5 • Dec 6, 2002

Oh For Fucs Sake!


"Hello, My Name is Misguided and I own a Sportster."


HI MISGUIDED!


Tell us now. How did it happen?


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#6 • Dec 7, 2002

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.....and costed a hell of a lot more than mine.

I think this is the unspoken issue. I wonder how many folks choose sportsters because its what they can afford? Hey, not everybody can drop $20K, no shame in that.

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I wonder how many folks choose sportsters because its what they can afford?

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For the record, I own an 01 RK complete w/ 95" kit, SE 211 cams & Hooker true dual exhaust, and I also have an 01 883, converted to 1200 w/ SBC vortec heads, SE .497" lift cams, SE ignition, Cycle Shack slip ons, & CV w/ Yost power tube installed.
If I am going on a "long distance run", the RK gets the nod every time. But , when I want to go "hunting" some big twins, I'll take the Sporty any day ! I love the bewildered look on their faces when my "girl's bike" NOT ! blows them away ! HA!
On the other hand, I used to own a 99 FXDL w/ a 95" TC ,SE heads, SE 258 cams, Mikuni HSR42 carb, & SE slip ons. She made 100 HP & 100 TQ. No comparison between the 1200 XL & that monster.

This is an ages old debate. I say, "ride what you want & don't look down on what others choose to ride."

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#8 • Dec 7, 2002

When I was looking for my Sporty, one of my co-workers who rides dirt said "why are you getting a chick bike, no real biker rides one". I replyed that I like the Sporty and I could afford to get the sporty and that he was just jealous that he could not buy a HD, I asked around and have yet had anyone else tell me that it's a chick bike. Including a longterm Biker who by the way rides a 84 sporty.

When I went to the dealer to buy my 03 2 tone XL1200C, the only words out of anyones mouth Employee or customer was "COOL"

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#9 • Dec 7, 2002

This came from Donnie Peterson's website

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and he has a lot of articles for our Sporty's. Check it out.

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For the record, I own an 01 RK complete w/ 95" kit, SE 211 cams & Hooker true dual exhaust, and I also have an 01 883, converted to 1200 w/ SBC vortec heads, SE .497" lift cams, SE ignition, Cycle Shack slip ons, & CV w/ Yost power tube installed.

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Two Harleys...Now THAT'S some peer pressure   

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#11 • Dec 8, 2002

Wyo, Yea...I realize what a lucky guy I am. The Sporty was actually purchased for my bride and then after 2 years she finally decided she wasn't "into" riding her own bike as much as she thought. Earlier this year I traded my hot rod FXDL for the RK, so she let me build the Sporty up and make it my own. What a woman, huh ? 

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Discussion Starter • #12 • Dec 8, 2002

Got a buddy who has a softail and gives me **** all the time. Doesnt really bother mem I just consider the source

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When the Harley fired up, It sounded like a pitbull on crack (it was sportin drag pipes). Dozens of guys turned their heads as big grins flashed over their faces. Mentally I could hear them all doing the Tim Allen "oh oh OH". As the rider left he blew a yellow light at full throttle in 2nd gear. Yea...I realize what a lucky guy I am. The Sporty was actually purchased for my bride and then after 2 years she finally decided she wasn't "into" riding her own bike as much as she thought. Earlier this year I traded my hot rod FXDL for the RK, so she let me build the Sporty up and make it my own. What a woman, huh ? 
Sounds like your wife is a real peach! You're a lucky man.

My wife makes occasional comments about getting a bike. We were at the dealership last week and she liked the screaming eagle deuce the best. I could live with that.
  I have to tell ya. There is no way I can ride a 1200 Sportster with out it being lowered. I even had to lower a Hugger another inch. I am glad to have started my venture on a Sportster, because I know it is the hardest thing to ride. I seriously doubt when Harley first built the Sportster, they were thinking of the lady rider. There was probably 1 lady rider to million men riders, back then, if that. The only thing that links the stereotype to the Sportster would be a heavy set man riding one. I saw my dad riding a Sportster and it looks like he is riding a moped. He is about 230 lbs. Maybe that is why fat boys ride Fatboys. More power to those who ride the Sportster. Now days, I think, the rider enjoys riding the twin cams only because they are a smoother ride for the long distance. Another thing, you might as well list all the Harley models as "chick bikes", because more and more women are riding those Fatboys, Heritages, and RK's. Including me. Stop with the sterotypes and lets just call them "Harleys".

older, wiser.I started out with a Sportster, and traded to a soft tail when I started doing more distance riding - sporty was just too hard on my old bones - rattled my teeth any time I got over 55 mph. I never looked at it like a chick bike, and can tell you the softie is a lot easier to ride than the sporty was - so I don't get the relationship. When I see somebody on the highway on a sporty, I just admire the heck out of them.
To each his own - as long as you're on a Harley, that's what counts"

I used to hear all that talk also about it being a "girl's bike". But as life went I now own an 82 XLH with some goodies packed in the case's. And I now kick my self in the a** for not just getting one ever time I was just short of affording a big twin. I love the sporty and will never give it up . I know she ain't the fastest one but I have really pissed-off some * crotch rocket's. I even one day while at a light this summer. Was waiting for the light to turn, then a couple of punk's on *'s pull-up. They start the "girly crap" then do a smoke show. So with out a second though I light it up, while the light turn's green I just leaned back slightly an roared off into a wheelie. They fallowed me to the corner store and started out with a big WOW that was awsome from a harley. I just replied "yeah and it was in second gear on a four speed" From that they just stood there dumb founded. It made my day to say the least.

"Saying a Sportster is an entry level Harley is like saying you should buy a Corvette to work your way into a Suburban."

"Girl's bike?? Ever have a girl kick your @%#?"

"Half a Harley?? I only need half a Harley to beat your piece of %&#$."

"Ooo! A land yacht! Shall we call you "captain"?"

"I'll give you a head start, even."

"I have to ride a Sportster. My wife (or girl) won't LET me get a bigger bike, she says I've got too much between my legs already"

"how 'bout: the Sportster, "The King of Harleys".....good enough for Elvis, good enough for me!"

"You'd best figure out how your gonna explain to your wife how you got your @&% kicked by someone on a "girls bike"


"Sportsters are half a Harley? Yeah, the fast half!"

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I rode a sportster for 13 years and know all about them. Bored and stoked them. Yes there are light and quick, for a Harley. But your comparing a "sports" bike , and I say that liberally, to a tour bike. Gearing is different, weight is way different. Take that buzz bike for a 2000 mile ride. I have several times but a Big Twin is way more comfortable and your not all fatigued from bouncing. The v-rod was HD's best sports bike, but the diehards didn't like the radiator and it was so-so against every other manufacturer's sportbike but cost more. which a sportster would never compare. Buels were good handling built with a sportster engine but harley even killed them, they picked up rotac engines and were even quicker. I don't hate sportsters, But they ain't the best, they are Harley's entry level.
 

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^ I've provided plenty of evidence to make my point.
Anything more than 25 miles is what Amtrak is for. City streets are what Sportsters are for.
 

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No its about the thread's original point. Defending the Sportster against being called the 'girl's bike' because its the smallest 'big bike' the average woman can somewhat ride in normal traffic. They 99% of the time cannot ride it for what it was intended for which was racing against the Norton International & the Triumph TR6. The Sportster is HD version of the Ford Mustang which originally & ironically was a girl's car as the Sportster is now commonly referred to as. (How Carroll Shelby Turned a Secretary’s Car into the Famous Ford Mustang | Torque News).

I"m not saying the Sportster is as fast as a V-Rod but the V-Rod was also $21k OTD whereas the Sportster is $9k. For a 100% increase in price it goddam better be a helluva lot faster...which it NEVER was. But yes it was faster so to
s-t-r-e-t-c-h my point into saying 'the sporster is fastest thing on two wheels including the Dodge Tomahawk' is bullshit! But it damn sure a ain't a little girls 300lb mini-bike which it was just referred to yet another internet genius.
 

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Seems bitch bike is what fits, some GUYS like to BITCH when someone calls it a girls bike, But lately I've seen more women riding softails more often because they sit even lower and are more comfortable. Why does a sportster need to be defended? It's A harley right. Does it offend you when you see a girl riding one? My buddies would rib me too when I rode one And I teased back about riding a geezer glide. But I never had any problem with anyone anywhere else. Guess it's a city thing and glad I don't live in one. Have fun on Amtrak too, do you bitch when it's called a granny train.
 

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Your right about the avg 900lb behomoth CVO rider. That's the reason why the Sporster was so popular w/ the Hell's Angels back in the late 60's. Back then they actually rode the Sporster hard not like todays mile long sleeper cruise of the usual 1,000 member OMC club.There's alot of pics of Sonny Barger on them. Although the kind of guys in OMC's nowadays would have never been patched in the 60's.

The only time I bitch about the 'granny train' is when there's no sexy grannies on it.
 
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