Your warranty is only gonna be good at that dealer anyhow. The "G" is the key, do it!! From what I've read here, you'll be alot happier with the 26g's.
Andrews 26G vs. SE 204. I need a little help.
First, I am a 270 lb guy who rides mostly in town, but I also like to have some interstate passing grunt.
I am not at all familiar with HD, or it's powerband/RPM relationship, so I have absolutely no prior experience.
My bike is an 06 FXSTBI which is obviously injected.
It will be receiving an HD 95" Stage II kit, and that's really as far as I want to go, so the heads and C/R will remain stock.
The exhaust will be Hooker Troublemakers. Vanity yes, but I gotta have pretty pipes..
The bike is brand new and disassembled at the dealer waiting for my parts to come back from being diamond cut.
The advantages of gears are clear, but HD also claims they have fixed the tensioners problems, and I would probably never approach the mileage where things go bad anyway.
After many suggestions, I have narrowed it down to the SE 204 or the Andrews 26G.
Obviously, I would go with gears if I chose the Andrews, but my question really centers on the cam profiles themselves.
They are very close, except for the earlier exhaust opening and the extended overlap of the SE, and the earlier intake opening of the 26..
Is the difference between the two close enough where I should go with the SE and my two year warranty, or does the Andrews offer the almost perfect mix of low end to upper midrange?
I hope there are some technical opinions out there. Not to be rude, but I know many are very happy with their choices, I really need to know the "difference" between the two..
Thank you in advance.
This website is great!
I am not at all familiar with HD, or it's powerband/RPM relationship, so I have absolutely no prior experience.
My bike is an 06 FXSTBI which is obviously injected.
It will be receiving an HD 95" Stage II kit, and that's really as far as I want to go, so the heads and C/R will remain stock.
The exhaust will be Hooker Troublemakers. Vanity yes, but I gotta have pretty pipes..
The bike is brand new and disassembled at the dealer waiting for my parts to come back from being diamond cut.
The advantages of gears are clear, but HD also claims they have fixed the tensioners problems, and I would probably never approach the mileage where things go bad anyway.
After many suggestions, I have narrowed it down to the SE 204 or the Andrews 26G.
Obviously, I would go with gears if I chose the Andrews, but my question really centers on the cam profiles themselves.
They are very close, except for the earlier exhaust opening and the extended overlap of the SE, and the earlier intake opening of the 26..
Is the difference between the two close enough where I should go with the SE and my two year warranty, or does the Andrews offer the almost perfect mix of low end to upper midrange?
I hope there are some technical opinions out there. Not to be rude, but I know many are very happy with their choices, I really need to know the "difference" between the two..
Thank you in advance.
This website is great!
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George,
As for the specific differences, surf this site for detailed info.
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/index.htm
If you want someone who can answer questions, help you with your build, and not try and sell you anything, call Steve at AMS.
http://www.automotivemachine.com/
Tell him what you have, what you want to do, what you weigh, what you ride, your riding style, and he will provide the information.
Good luck
As for the specific differences, surf this site for detailed info.
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/index.htm
If you want someone who can answer questions, help you with your build, and not try and sell you anything, call Steve at AMS.
http://www.automotivemachine.com/
Tell him what you have, what you want to do, what you weigh, what you ride, your riding style, and he will provide the information.
Good luck
The 26 would work fine, when you have the heads off swap in a 30 thou gasket to help and go ride.
HDWRENCH said:The 26 would work fine, when you have the heads off swap in a 30 thou gasket to help and go ride.
With all due respect, you didn't answer my question.
I know they 26's will work fine, and I have heard the suggestions of the .030 also. That I know..
When comparing both cams, which one is a better all around cam for a Soft Tail.
The SE would be the easy choice since my warranty would still be intact for all 48 states, but I would sacrifice that, and the extra $500.00 if the 26 cams were a better all around choice with a smoother powerband.
Thanks..
Actualy if you put a SE 204 cam in there your waranty will be in the shitter, only place that will waranty it is the dealer who installed it if they are feeling generous. If they tell you that the 204 is warantied in 48 states they're full of crap, I've been down that road when I did a Stage 2 build on my 05 EG Classic I got the straight scoop from the guy who handled all the waranty work. He said the 204 would be a nice cam but to keep my waranty I had to go with the 203. The only cam you can get waranty on in 48 states is the 203, and then only if it was installed as part of the emmisions legal Stage 2 kit. If something take a crap in that engine and the MoCo can blame it on modifications other than their approved stuff your toast. You have a brand new bike and a choice to make, waranty vs desires. I have the same choice, I wan't to do a build on my 06 Ultra and I'm kind of partial to my waranty right now with only 2k miles on the bike. FWIW when I do the build it won't be with a 204 cam, I'm going with the 26g because I want gear drive so I don't have to worry about the damn tensioners.George C said:The SE would be the easy choice since my warranty would still be intact for all 48 states, but I would sacrifice that, and the extra $500.00 if the 26 cams were a better all around choice with a smoother powerband.
Thanks..
I think the tensioner issue was solved a year or two ago. Like Quaker State oil, the stigma will never go away.
Gears aren't really what I'm concerned about. I want the mild cam that won't fall off the face of the earth on an Interstate hwy..
Gears aren't really what I'm concerned about. I want the mild cam that won't fall off the face of the earth on an Interstate hwy..
They will both offer good power, they are close to each other the 26 will provide a bit more low end but it is not going to be night and day. Since the exhuast is going to play a big part I cannot give you a difference in tq/hp from one to the other, I have not dynoed that pipe. Sorry I guess I did not fully understand your post. I have used both with se systems and the 26 was 3-5 more in tq on avarage from start to stop, hp was up with the 26 by 3-4, the 26 pulled longer. Again every engine is going to be a bit different. But for comparision the 26 is a better choice. As for the why power you did not really give much info there. HWY riding is a very broad statement, some guys ride 65-75 other ride 85+ . Region where you live is going to play apart. But for overall comparision the 26 is a better cam for you based upon what you are looking for.
Another consideration, Andrews claims a +4 hp gain with gear drives vs chain drive - mostly due to less rotating mass of gears vs chains. Also, gear drives have less "slop" resulting in better timing accuracy.
TonyRKC
TonyRKC
Gear Drive
I just finished installing the gear drive with 26G on my 99 Wide Glide. If you are planning on doing the work yourself you might want to check the pinion runout before you place the order. Luckily, mine was .001 and the gears are no more noisy than the chains. Check the HarleyHog site for a better explanation.
Haywood.
I just finished installing the gear drive with 26G on my 99 Wide Glide. If you are planning on doing the work yourself you might want to check the pinion runout before you place the order. Luckily, mine was .001 and the gears are no more noisy than the chains. Check the HarleyHog site for a better explanation.
Haywood.
I don't think this is correct.George C said:I think the tensioner issue was solved a year or two ago.
Thanks HDWrench, and everybody else... I appreciate your posts.
The one big thing that sticks out between the two is the shorter overlap of the TW26. That should help if my pipes turn out to be no better than the Big Radius. Obviously, my dealer is pushing the SE cams. If the Andrews offers a longer torque curve, that's the way I'll go. I will do the gear drive since I don't see myself going back into the cam chest again anytime soon.
I really hate this cam stuff. There are so many recipes, and combos that it makes my head spin. C/R ratio, pipes, powerband area, etc. Constant questions like "should I step up even more and go with the 37G, but then, more compression is needed. It doesn't end...#[email protected] Change one thing and it all changes.
I have to believe that the better 06' heads 10% & 16% better flow should be good enough for me since my name isn't Andrew Hines..
On a side note, my dealer doesn't particularly like Andrews because he feels the bearing material they use is substandard. This is the first I've heard of anything negative about Andrews. Is there anything I should know, or a different bearing to use?
The one big thing that sticks out between the two is the shorter overlap of the TW26. That should help if my pipes turn out to be no better than the Big Radius. Obviously, my dealer is pushing the SE cams. If the Andrews offers a longer torque curve, that's the way I'll go. I will do the gear drive since I don't see myself going back into the cam chest again anytime soon.
I really hate this cam stuff. There are so many recipes, and combos that it makes my head spin. C/R ratio, pipes, powerband area, etc. Constant questions like "should I step up even more and go with the 37G, but then, more compression is needed. It doesn't end...#[email protected] Change one thing and it all changes.
I have to believe that the better 06' heads 10% & 16% better flow should be good enough for me since my name isn't Andrew Hines..
On a side note, my dealer doesn't particularly like Andrews because he feels the bearing material they use is substandard. This is the first I've heard of anything negative about Andrews. Is there anything I should know, or a different bearing to use?
The tensioner really doesn't bother me. It wouldn't push me away from using SE, that's for sure. I'll never have 20K on a bike, it will be down the road before the tensioner even has any kind of chance for failure.
Having said that, if I did go aftermarket, I would probably spend the extra money to do it with gears because it would be the right thing to do..
Having said that, if I did go aftermarket, I would probably spend the extra money to do it with gears because it would be the right thing to do..
If you ain't gonna ride it, then why swap cams at all?%[email protected]George C said:I'll never have 20K on a bike,
You've hit the nail squarely on the head. There are millions of potential combinations and more than would like to admit it have spent big bucks for a less than satisfactory outcome.George C said:.
I really hate this cam stuff. There are so many recipes, and combos that it makes my head spin. C/R ratio, pipes, powerband area, etc. Constant questions like "should I step up even more and go with the 37G, but then, more compression is needed. It doesn't end...#[email protected] Change one thing and it all changes.
The SE stuff is good and it is engineered to give solid performance.
Other vendors that offer packages are outfits like Zippers, HeadQuarters, Johnson Engineering, etc.
Your dealer probably gets a bigger markup from HD parts as opposed to other aftermarket options.George C said:On a side note, my dealer doesn't particularly like Andrews because he feels the bearing material they use is substandard. This is the first I've heard of anything negative about Andrews. Is there anything I should know, or a different bearing to use?
If your going to change the cams, change the inner cam bearings no matter what cams you choose. Does the guy at the dealership have anything to back up this statement about the andrews stuff? Sounds to me like his mouth is writing a check his you know what can't cover.
No, I don't believe so. I think this is his actual opinion, and I respect that. They have been in business since 1949..
He has no reason to try to BS someone like me. I don't quibble money..I ask them their opinion and they tell me how they feel. I am sure he wouldn't be offended if I went with the Andrews cam.
He has no reason to try to BS someone like me. I don't quibble money..I ask them their opinion and they tell me how they feel. I am sure he wouldn't be offended if I went with the Andrews cam.
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