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this is a nice link to another harley owner who made it to the track.
http://www.geocities.com/reliopoulos/upgrade/
Are there any others?

I have been tesing my bikes new upgrades. the 1/4 mile top speed was all I could get at first. About162km/h or about 102mph. using this and the weight and rpm limits and gearing, the nightrider 1/4 mile calculator stated a time of 12.97. Cool, but I figured ,with my lousy starts.....so i went out with a timer the next time, I ran one practice then put 2 good runs in. 13.46and 13.52 both at a fraction more than 160km/h.
so comparing these to the link above ,it seems about right. Now just gotta work on those starts.
I have attached a whelie photo taken from that night out with some freinds.
 

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The bike is a 2002 883. It was immediately converted to a 1200. That was nice,but in hindsight I wish I had known I would want more. Got a set of hq heads and new pipes and ignition. the dyno comparisons tell the story. After waiting out the winter ,I rode it and experienced what adding almost 14 hp felt like. I am very pleased.....
 

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Ballpark ET for a Stock TC88?

I was curious. What is a ballpark 1/4 mile ET for a 2002 H-D with a pro rider. Softtail, Dyna, or touring -- just looking for a Ballpark figure.

Just from seat-of-pants-feel (not very reliable), my '02 FLHTCI with a PCIIIr and stage 1 w/o trunk Feels like it could/should do like mid 13's? Is that close? (I probably couldn't do that, as I can't do quick starts very well).

Just curious -- I am a cruiser, not a racer, but curious 'bout ET's...

Thanks,
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check out this chart
Cruiser Motorcycle Comparison Chart (Part 1)
or use this link...
http://www.chuckhawks.com/cruiser_motorcycle_chart.htm

By Chuck Hawks

MFG. & MODEL YEAR TYPE DISP. (cc) ENGINE TORQUE HP FINAL DRIVE WHEELS WET WT. (lb) DRY WT. (lb) BRAKES SELF CANCEL FUEL (gal) SEAT HT. (in) GEARS CARBS (mm) MPG 1/4 MI. (sec)
BMW R 1200C ABS 1998 cruiser 1170 "a/o-c, hc, opposed 2" 71 61 shaft laced 563 519 "f=2 disc, r= disc, A" no 4.5 29.1 5 EFI 45.1 [email protected]
H-D XLH883 Hugger 1997 cruiser 883 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 53 57 belt cast 521 485 "f=disc, r=disc" yes 3.3 27.12 5 1 (40) 53 [email protected]
H-D XL1200C Custom 1997 cruiser 1200 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 72 66 belt "f=l, r=c" 526 490 "f=disc, r=disc" yes 3.3 27.12 5 1 (40) 40 [email protected]
H-D VRSCA V-Rod 2002 pwr-cruiser 1130 "l-c, dohc, V-2" 74 115 belt alu. disc 615.5 595.7 "f=2 disc, r=disc" yes 3.7 26 5 EFI n/a 11.5 @ 118
H-D FXD Dyna Super Glide 1999 cruiser 1450 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 73* 60.3* belt laced n/a 598 "f=disc, r=disc" yes 4.9 26.5 5 1 (40) 53 [email protected]
H-D FXDL Dyna Low Rider 1997 cruiser 1339 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 78 67 belt laced n/a 598 "f=2 disc, r=disc" yes 4.9 26.5 5 1 (40) 37.7 [email protected]
H-D FXDWG Wide Glide 1999 cruiser 1450 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 73* 60.3* belt laced n/a 598 "f=disc, r=disc" yes 5.2 26.75 5 1 (40) 53 [email protected]
H-D FXSTC Softail Custom 1997 cruiser 1339 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 78 67 belt "f=l, r=c" n/a 613 "f=disc, r=disc" yes 5.2 26.7 5 1 (40) 53 [email protected]
H-D FXSTS Springer Softail 1997 cruiser 1339 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 78 67 belt laced n/a 625 "f=disc, r=disc" yes 4.2 26.12 5 1 (40) 53 [email protected]
H-D FLSTF Fat Boy 1997 cruiser 1339 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 78 67 belt cast n/a 631 "f=disc, r=disc" yes 4.2 26.5 5 1 (40) n/a n/a
H-D FLSTS Heritage Springer 1997 cruiser 1339 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 78 67 belt laced n/a 690 "f=disc, r=disc" yes 4.2 25.75 5 1 (40) n/a n/a
Honda CMX250C Rebel 1997 cruiser 234 "a-c, sohc, inline 2" 12.5* 16* chain laced n/a 306.4 "f=disc, r=drum" no 2.6 26.6 5 1 (26) n/a n/a
Honda VT600 Shadow Deluxe 1998 cruiser 583 "l-c, sohc, V-2" n/a n/a chain laced n/a 445.3 "f=disc, r=drum" no 2.9 27.2 4 2 (34) 45 [email protected]
Honda Spirit 750 Deluxe 2001 cruiser 745 "l-c, sohc, V-2" 43.2* 39.7* chain laced 542 496 "f=disc, r=drum" no 3.6 27.1 5 2 (36) 49 [email protected]
Honda VF750 Magna 1998 pwr-cruiser 748 "l-c, dohc, V-4" 50* 83* chain cast 539 504.8 "f=2 disc, r=disc" no 3.6 28 5 4 (34) 45.5 [email protected]
Honda VT1100 Shadow Spirit 1998 cruiser 1099 "l-c, sohc, V-2" 65.4* 54.2* shaft cast 618 553.4 "f=disc, r=drum" no 4.2 28.2 5 2 (36) 41.8 [email protected]
Honda Shadow Sabre 2001 cruiser 1099 "l-c, sohc, V-2" n/a n/a shaft cast 600+ 573 "f=disc, r=disc" no 4.2 27.2 5 2 (36) 34.5 n/a
Honda GL1500 Valkyrie 1997 pwr-cruiser 1520 "l-c, sohc, opposed 6" 94.3 100 shaft cast 739 682 "f=2 disc, r=disc" no 5.3 29.1 5 6 (28) 28.7 [email protected]
Honda VTX 1800 2001 pwr-cruiser 1795 "l-c, sohc, V-2" 98.9* 89* shaft cast 754 n/a "f=2 disc, r=disc" no 4.5 27.3 5 EFI 32 [email protected]
MFG. & MODEL YEAR TYPE DISP. (cc) ENGINE TORQUE HP FINAL DRIVE WHEELS WET WT. (lb) DRY WT. (lb) BRAKES SELF CANCEL FUEL (gal) SEAT HT. (in) GEARS CARBS (mm) MPG 1/4 MI. (sec)

"Note: Specifications from various sources, including Rider, Motorcyclist, Cycle World, and Motorcycle Online magazines."

*= at rear wheel (otherwise at crankshaft)


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Cruiser Motorcycle Comparison Chart (Part 2)

By Chuck Hawks

MFG. & MODEL YEAR TYPE DISP. (cc) ENGINE TORQUE HP FINAL DRIVE WHEELS WET WT. (lb) DRY WT. (lb) BRAKES SELF CANCEL FUEL (gal) SEAT HT. (in) GEARS CARBS (mm) MPG 1/4 MI. (sec)
Kawasaki Eliminator 125 2001 cruiser 124 "a-c, sohc, single" n/a n/a chain laced n/a 282 "f=disc, r=drum" no 3.4 26.8 5 1 46.7 [email protected]
Kawasaki Vulcan 500 LTD 1998 cruiser 498 "l-c, dohc, inline 2" 29.6* 40.8* chain laced n/a 439 "f=disc, r=drum" no 4 28.1 6 2 (32) 48.9 [email protected]
Kawasaki Vulcan 750 1997 cruiser 745 "l-c, dohc, V-2" n/a n/a shaft cast 544 484 "f=2 disc, r=drum" no 3.6 28.9 5 2 (34) 46 [email protected]
Kawasaki Vukcan 800 1997 cruiser 805 "l-c, sohc, V-2" 47 54 chain laced 554 485 "f=disc, r=drum" no 4 28 5 1 (36) 46 [email protected]
Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic 2000 cruiser 1470 "l-c, sohc, V-2" 73.6* 54.6* shaft laced 727 644 "f=disc, r=disc" yes 5 27.6 5 EFI 41 [email protected]
Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Mean Streak 2002 Pwr-cruiser 1470 "l-c, sohc, V-2" 74.4* 63.7* shaft cast 599 572 "f=2 disc, r=disc" yes 5 27.5 5 EFI 38 [email protected]
Moto Guzzi V1100 EV 1998 cruiser 1064 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 70 77 shaft laced 601 552 "f=2 disc, r=disc" no 5 30.3 5 EFI 38 [email protected]
Polaris Victory V 92C 1999 cruiser 1507 "a/o-c, sohc, V-2" 75* 56* belt cast 692 658 "f=disc, r=disc" no 5 29 5 EFI 38.7 [email protected]
Suzuki LS650 Savage 1995 cruiser 652 "a-c, sohc, single" n/a n/a belt laced n/a 342 "f=disc, r=drum" no 2.5 27.6 4 1 (40) 51.1 [email protected]
Suzuki VS800 Intruder 1997 cruiser 805 "l-c, sohc, V-2" 54.3 62 shaft laced 477 443 "f=disc, r=drum" no 3.2 27.6 5 2 (26) 45 [email protected]
Suzuki VZ800 Marauder 1997 cruiser 805 "l-c, sohc, V-2" n/a n/a chain cast 482 456 "f=disc, r=drum" no 3.4 27.6 5 2 (36) 44 [email protected]
Suzuki VS1400 Intruder 1997 cruiser 1360 "a-c, sohc, V-2" 77.4* 56.5* shaft laced 578 537 "f=disc, r=disc" no 3.4 27.6 5 2 (36) 47 [email protected]
Suzuki VL1500 Intruder 1998 cruiser 1462 "a-c, sohc, V-2" 73.9* 52.8* shaft cast 699 644 "f=disc, r=disc" no 4.1 27.6 5 2 (36) 36 [email protected]
Triumph Adverturer 1998 cruiser 885 "l-c, dohc, inline 3" 53 69 chain laced n/a 496 "f=disc, r=disc" no 4 29.5 5 3 (36) 38 [email protected]
Yamaha XV250 Virago 1994 cruiser 249 "a-c, sohc, V-2" n/a n/a chain laced n/a 301 "f=disc, r=drum" yes 2.5 27 5 1 (26) n/a n/a
Yamaha XV535 Virago 1994 cruiser 535 "a-c, sohc, V-2" n/a n/a shaft laced n/a 401 "f=disc, r=drum" yes 3.9 27.6 5 2 (34) 48.3 [email protected]
Yamaha V-Star Classic 1998 cruiser 650 "a-c, sohc, V-2" *34.3 *32.2 shaft laced 544 496 "f=disc, r=drum" yes 4.2 27.5 5 2 (28) 43 [email protected]
Yamaha XV750 Virago 1997 cruiser 749 "a-c,sohc, V-2" 47.7 61 shaft cast 507 483 "f=2 disc, r=drum" yes 3.8 28.1 5 2 (40) 47 [email protected]
Yamaha XV1100 Virago 1998 cruiser 1063 "a-c, sohc, V-2" 62.5* 58.2* shaft cast n/a 508 "f=2 disc, r=drum" yes 4.4 28.4 5 2 (40) 35 [email protected]
Yamaha V-Star 1100 Custom 2000 cruiser 1063 "a-c, ohc, V-2" 62* 50* shaft laced 616 571 "f=2 disc, r=disc" yes 4.3 27 5 2 (37) 35 [email protected]
Yamaha VMX12 V-Max 1997 pwr-cruiser 1198 "l-c, dohc, V-4" 87 145 shaft cast 616 580 "f=2 disc, r=disc" yes 3.96 30.1 5 4 (35) 34 [email protected]
Yamaha Royal Star Cheyenne 1998 cruiser 1294 "l-c, dohc, V-4" n/a n/a shaft cast n/a 725 "f=2 disc, r=disc" yes 4.8 28.3 5 4 (28) 34.4 [email protected]
Yamaha Road Star 1999 cruiser 1602 "a-c, ohv, V-2" 88.5* 56.8* belt laced 740 677 "f=2 disc, r=disc" yes 5.3 27.9 5 1 (40) 43.7 [email protected]
MFG. & MODEL YEAR TYPE DISP. (cc) ENGINE TORQUE HP FINAL DRIVE WHEELS WET WT. (lb) DRY WT. (lb) BRAKES SELF CANCEL FUEL (gal) SEAT HT. (in) GEARS CARBS (mm) MPG 1/4 MI. (sec)

"Note: Specifications from various sources, including Rider, Motorcyclist, Cycle World, and Motorcycle Online magazines."

*= at rear wheel (otherwise at crankshaft)


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I would tell you what mine does, but I seem to have misplaced the calendar.



Probably along the lines of a Black Angus propelled by a mouse fart.
 

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Thanks, Kerry!

That was what I was looking for. That's it...HP & torque too

Thanks,
Mitch
 

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Got to the drags....

They were 1/8th mile drags at an elevation 0f 8000 feet. So my somewhat already rich running bike was even richer. (yeah excuses) Fun factor off the scale!!! Good people ,BUT they all came sportin wheelie bars...not another strett legal bike in sight!
So I did some homework on the braket racing idea and worked some consistent runs in with some strategy and added a little luck. This got me to the finals of the king of the hill! Huge fun!
so the bracket racing set me against a bike .8 seconds faster than I. My dial in was 8.33 and I was doin about 2.0 seconds at 60 feet with reaction times from .164 to .287. (red lighted once and had one run where i sucked my pant leg in to the open air intake ,so i put the cover back on. :) )
My dial in is 8.33 and in the final race I get an average reaction of .279 and a 60 foot of 1.96 and an incredible run of 8.363. Incredible because it was screamin fast? NO not really but rather because it was only 3 one hundredths off my dial in which meant I could possibly win.
However my experienced competetors dial in was slower than his bike was capable off, so He slipped past me than let off at the end...sort of just waiting for me allowing himself to stay ahead but not break his dial in time and lose. He finish 15 one hundredths slower than his dial in but still won. Bitter? NAW! his reaction time of .124 was reason enough to beat me.
I took my cs slipons right off for one run and the results were a faster speed at finish but a slower time. it was a .213 rt and 1.99 60 foot timed at 8.447 at 83.473.

Did a decent wheelie one run and got a nice crowd reaction....

details are here
a good run in the early afternoon:
.164 rt 2.002 @60 8.383 et and 84.683 mph
another run
.287 rt 1.995 @60 8.553 et and 82.564 mph
and my final fun in the king of the hill
dial in 8.33 .279 rt 1.960 @60 8.363 et and 82.614 mph.

Wished there had been some other street bikes.....wish I had pulled a few more wheelies. I have video so I will try and post it or some pics .
The starts were tough as the bike was bogging on a couple starts and the ground was so sticky I was too nervous to launch real hard. Sticky like your shoes would stick to the ground!
 

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drag racing video

at the start
 

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Discussion Starter #10 (Edited)
another pic

at the start
 

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next drags on the bottle

My bike has great heads but stock cams stii congest the breathing and high rpm power. So i just ordered some n8,s. Also cause I read that nos will pull a boat load of fuel into the combustion chamber and that will need better duration on the exhausts. So next drags i will ne sportin the n8s (hopefully adding 5 hp alone ,but primarliy allowing the nos system s exterem breathing and exhausts needs to be handled) and the edelbrock plate NOS system( adding 20-30hp, set to be a little tame while I get used of it. )
My times were 8.3's at aprrox84mph. This extra 25hp should put me at 7.5 i hope. I will try the nightrider calculator and see what it says.
 

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the cams and bottle are on the table

yep, gettin pumped to install the nos kit and the n8s, but i can start till after this weekends TOY run.
 

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Bill said:
You're joking right? Nos?

I hope so.

Bill
I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows the difference between Nitrous and N.O.S.!!! Ever since, "The slow and the ridiculous" came out, everyone wants nos, not one but two bottles!
 

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sorry to have misled ya

Its not "nos". Thats just a common abbreviation.....since the movie.
The kit is a plate nitrous system by edelbrock, with a # 30 jet and a 30 hp shot.. The bike now dynos at 82 hp and then on the bottle it hits just over 113 hp.
 
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