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Old 05-04-2010, 12:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Comparing front shocks: Progressive Monotubes to Ricor Intiminators

I know I have had parts of this in other threads, but thought I would compile it all here. I ordered the Progressive Monotubes in February and had them installed this winter. I was like a seven year old waiting for Christmas, as I waited for the snow to melt and things to dry out. The first ride out I hit my front brake to check the dive and there was a "clunk". It would occur at both fast and slow speeds each time the front brake was applied fast. If the brake was eased into slowly, there was no clunk. The dealership ruled out the neck bearing and the floating rotor. They couldn't get rid of the clunk. The second problem came when going over a rain curb into the gas station, where it bottomed out. I went over it several times and each time there was metal on metal and it actually hurt. A couple of times with my wife on the back end, hitting a manhole cover it would bottom out. It made us cringe whenever we saw a bump coming that I couldn't go around.

Progressive company seemed interested in helping at first, but after a couple of phone calls, Frank at Progressive dropped the ball and wouldn't call back. I lost faith in him too. I asked him to send me a new set of Monotubes and I would return mine for their quality control dept. to look at. They weren't interested because it had never happened before, (remember, it only took one run away Toyota to start something). He did send me a free set of preload spacers because mine didn't come with any. But I would have to spend the $175 (2 1/2 hrs labor) for them to be put in. Frank said they wouldn't help with the bottoming out though, just the height. I got a set of Ricor Intiminators and had them put in instead for the $175 labor it would have cost me to put in the spacers.

Ride comparison after 200 miles on each:

They were both stable and smooth to 105 mph.

The Monotubes had quite a bit of front end dive when the brakes were applied or when the front end was bounced. The Intiminators are very firm, but not hard, when the brakes are applied and there is no dive. Today I had a turkey walk out of the ditch in front of me and I had to apply the front brake hard( it wasn't him I was worried about it was the next two or three), it was firm and I had a lot of control as I slowed. I do a lot more slowing with my front brake now than I ever did before, it's kinda fun.

As I said the Monotubes bottomed out when I went over a quick bump. The Intiminators have never bottomed out. The first thing I did with them after they were installed was to ride to the gas station and hit the curb at different speeds. It was smooth each time. They feel like you are riding over rubber when you hit a hard bump.

The measurement from the middle of the front axle to the lower end of the "cowbells" was 12 1/4" for the Monotubes and is 13 1/4" for the Ricor Intiminators. But I didn't have the preload spacers in, as the early ones didn't come with them. I don't know what the measurement is with them in----can anyone help here?

Both shocks improved cornering at high speeds. With the Monotubes, I felt some fading at 15mph over the posted speed around corners and had to slow down. They were definitely better than the stock shocks. I don't feel that fade with the Intiminators. I can consistently corner the twistys at 15-20 mph over posted speed. When more confidence comes, I'm sure I won't have a problem leaning even harder and slingshotting out of the curves. I also feel more confident in the corners when the road is not completely smooth.

I feel as though the Intiminator valve makes the shocks feel harder when you push down from on top, as in bouncing them in the driveway or putting on the front brakes. But when the "push" comes from down below, as in a bump, they are very smooth and resilient. I like the ride much better with the Intiminators than the Monotubes. It feels more secure to me at both high and low speeds. I would highly recommend the Ricors if you're looking for some better front end shock handling.
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Race Tech emulators will do same thing at 1/2 the price with their progressive wound springs
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I've got 1000 miles on my Progressive Monotubes .. no fork dive even under hard braking, no expansion joint slamming, firmer that the stock dampers with heavy oil . 2 up they are a dream. Much better than stock and well worth the investment.

I ride primarily in the twisties , and even on 129 ( Ga end of the dragon ) over Blood Mtn. they are superb.
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I've got 1000 miles on my Progressive Monotubes .. no fork dive even under hard braking, no expansion joint slamming, firmer that the stock dampers with heavy oil . 2 up they are a dream. Much better than stock and well worth the investment.

I ride primarily in the twisties , and even on 129 ( Ga end of the dragon ) over Blood Mtn. they are superb.
A little more info please. weight 5 1 ujp 2Up loaded for touring. Riding style.

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I weigh about 210 , my passenger about 140 . I ride about +10-15 over posted through the mountains.
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Race Tech emulators will do same thing at 1/2 the price with their progressive wound springs
Ricor Intiminators are not the same as Race Tech Emulators.

Race Tech Emulators are a coil spring blow off valve upgrade over the unacceptable orifice type restrictions in the damper rods.

The Ricor Intiminators incorporate a hydraulically assisted motion sensing inertia valve. The inertia valve is pressure insensitive and doesn't open for any chassis input/motion. That allows the chassis response to valved much firmer than a conventional blow off valve insert or cartridge system. The inertia valve opens for all wheel inputs with a 'comfort tuned' response. The wheel motion response is tuned for optimum comfort and traction only. The result is seamless with a more stable chassis and plusher ride.

Regarding damper rod vs cartridge, the damper rod system displaces much more oil per inch of travel than any cartridge system. The damper rod fork with a modern metering system can provide much higher brake dive and bottoming resistance than any cartridge system.


Some will argue the small piston high gas pressure monotube cartridge is 'higher tech' than a much larger piston damper rod fork structure with a modern valve system. That's like saying a 2 litre 4 valve dual overhead cam is higher tech than a push rod 2 valve Chevy LS7 motor. I'll take the LS7. IMO, the Ricor inertia valve is like adding a supercharger to the much larger displacement damper rod fork.

The Ricor Intiminators are AFM road race proven competing against Traxxion cartridge equipped road race bikes. The Ricor equipped bike won every race last season and the championship.

Unlike the Emulators, the Ricor valves don't require the complete disassembly of the front forks and drilling holes. Pull the springs, replace the oil, cut the spacers and your bike is transformed. Ricor valves are designed to run lighter weight shock oil and are tuned for the factory springs.

With the lower installation expense and no need for new springs, it's the most cost effective upgrade.

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I had a set of Ricor Intiminators installed on my 02 SE Road King. I was unsure how these would work, skeptical at best. I have to admit, they sure smooth out the expansion joints and small pot holes. I seem to glide over them.

A large pot hole is still a large pot hole. You know you just went thru a hole, just not as bad. This seems to be a very good bang for the buck mod. JMO

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I ride solo at 210 pounds, and ride 10-15 over posted limits. I have 500 miles on Progressive Monotubes, with Progressive 440's rear and a BaggerBrace installed. I have experienced none of the symptoms of the original post. Although I am very happy with the monotubes, I am surprised that Progressive is not more interested in helping out on this...the symptoms are so contrary to my experience, and that of others on this forum.
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