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Old 10-23-2006, 05:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all, in the process of deciding winter projects for my Fatty. Am considering the Kuryakyn Pro R Hypercharger. Anybody using one? Opinions pls. Is there anything better? Thx,Joe.
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Old 10-23-2006, 07:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Joe,
You will get a wide range of opinions concerning the Kuryakyn Hypercharger. Most of the negative ones will be from folks who don't understand how they work. They think it is a Ram Air gizmo and that it serves no purpose. You CANNOT "Ram" air with a breather. The FACT is..Kuryakyn makes hyperchargers that perform great from Stage 1 through ground-pounders. I will try to find some info that I received that is a very good explanation of HOW and WHY the hypercharger is a very wise addition to your bike.

On the other hand, there are many breathers that perform very well and I know those folks will sound off also. It's a matter of doing the research and listening to the opinions of those who have them, and the opinions of those who really know how they function. If there is someone who has one and it didn't perform I would sure be interested in knowing that also.

Here's the website for the ProR:
http://www.kuryakyn.com/products.asp?bn=harley&ci=3364

I will look through my files and dig out the tech data that I received in an ongoing email exchange with the company. You will find that Kuryakyn has VERY RESPONSIVE technical and customer service if and when you need them.

I have the basic Kury Hypercharger, V&H Propipe HS, Andrews EV-3 cam, Screaming Eagle Ignition. My 1995 Wideglide runs great and it has plenty of get up and go for my old butt.

More to follow.
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Old 10-23-2006, 08:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi Steve,thanks for the reply and link. Thought there would be more replys. Joe
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Here's the info I received from Kuryakyn this morning. Kind of lengthy but VERY good information. Sounds like the ProR may be more than you really need for your Fatboy..unless you plan on really building it big time. Anyway..digest the information and then devide whether you think Kuryakyn is a legitimate piece of gear.....I think it is.


Steve,
Jim has asked me to explain the flow on our air cleaners. I do not
actually like to give out flow data on our air cleaners for reasons I
will now tell you. I instead like to use the horsepower potential of
the air cleaners, as this is a much more important figure to know.

I have done extensive scientific testing on the air cleaners with
both the proper type fixture with an expansion area built into it and at
high pressure differentials as compared to a lot of the testing I have
seen. We also did a considerable amount of dyno testing. Because there
is no standard for AC testing, the numbers we have mean nothing when you
try to use the data to compare to anyone else's data. It creates a big
problem with the public not understanding that most of the CFM figures
for air cleaners out there were all done with different testing
procedures at different test pressures. I ran into this first hand on a
discussion board I am on. There was a thread on how much do different
air cleaners flow and how much flow do you need for a certain cubic inch
engine. It turned into a fiasco where nobody could agree with each other
on anything. People were throwing out all kinds of flow numbers and
formulas for figuring how much flow or area you need in the element. It
went on forever and I think people knew less when they were done than
when they started. This is why I won't go there and get rapped around
that axle. There is no winning in the flow number game. For this reason
this data is for our own knowledge and we do not publish it. I prefer to
tell you what we have found to be the upper horsepower potentials for
each of our air cleaners. This is what is really important to the end
user. All of our AC's flow a great deal more air than a stock AC, and
will enhance a stock bikes performance, but the difference really comes
out when you start having higher HP engine builds.

Just so you know, the Hypercharger is not meant to force high
pressure air into the intake tract. They are vented on the bottom to
prevent this because it can cause carburetion problems. A lot of people
do not understand this either.

The original Hypercharger is good to about 90 HP before it starts to
cost you a percentage of your HP. An example is our 95 Wide Glide with a
Wild Things hop-up makes 120 HP with our High Five AC installed. With
the original Hypercharger installed it makes about 106HP. Even though
the bike made 106 HP with the Hypercharger, it lost power, so we do not
say it is a 106 HP AC. We did the same type of testing on a 130 HP
engine. The stock Hyper made 114 on this bike. With the Stinger upgrade
the bike again made 130 HP. We call this new upgrade the Stinger. It
adds an end element and more opening to the Hyper. This makes the
Hypercharger able to support up to the tested 130 HP on the previous
mentioned test. It may go beyond that, but that is the highest we have
tested it at so far. On a 90 HP engine, the original Hypercharger will
allow you to make 90 HP, so this is what we rate it at.

The original Twin Velocity is good to about 100 HP. The new Twin
Velocity PLUS flows enough air for around 120 HP.

The Pro Hypercharger is good for 110 HP.

The new Pro "R" Hypercharger is a new advanced design and flows an
extreme amount of air. We have not found the upper limits of this air
cleaner yet. The highest power bike we have had to test on in the shop
was over 140/140 for HP and TQ. I estimate this air cleaner to be able
to feed an engine in the 150's for HP. Maybe higher.

The new High Five is in the same league as the Pro "R". It will
supply enough air for just about any street build you can come up with.
The new Skull AC is very close behind these two AC's in performance
potential.

Both the High Five and the Pro "R" are some of the highest flowing
AC's I have tested, and I have tested most all of the popular high flow
aftermarket AC's. Part of this not only has to do with the end breathing
element technology but also in the design of the backing plate. It has
an insert that goes over the bolts after you install it. There are then
no stand-offs or bolts to cause turbulence at the entry. The backing
plate leads the air from a flat surface 90 degrees to the throat to a
parabolic curve radius into the throat of the carb or throttle body.
This is the best shape you can have for the entry to an orifice.

To give you a comparison, the Screaming Eagle AC is good up to about
105 HP before it starts costing a percentage of your power.

One of the things that has given the Hypercharger a bad rap is the
fact that people do not clean the elements because they are a little
more work to get at than most AC's. They run the Hyper for years and
thousands of miles with no cleaning. They then put their bikes on a dyno
at some event and their power is way down. They blame it on the Hyper. I
had a well known mobile dyno operator tell me this same story. Another
thing that happens is people will discount the Hyper's ability to work
because of it's unique design. They think it is a gimmick and judge it
without a fair trial.

I know I gave you a little more information than you probably
needed, but I thought you might find it interesting. What it means to
your FXDWG is, the original Hypercharger flows more than enough air for
your 88" bike to make as much power as it is able to. On a stock bike no
other AC will add more power no matter what anybody says. Even our ultra
high flowing High Five or Pro "R" will not add any more power because
the Hypercharger has not reached it's flow limits at anything under 90
HP.

I have attached a couple of dyno charts to show you what our AC and
a pipe can do for a stock bike. As you can see, stock bikes vary in
output. If you go to the web sight linked below you can look at a lot of
high output combinations all using our AC's.

I hope this information helps you.

Best regards,
Michael Jay Roland
Performance Division Manager
Kuryakyn Holdings

http://kuryakyn.com/wildthings.asp
http://www.kuryakyn.com/flyers/kuryakynperformance.pdf
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If you like the looks of the Hypercharger, then buy one. But don't kid yourself... it is no better than any other high flow AC. It just looks different.
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Old 10-24-2006, 01:38 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Joe,
Read the gouge and judge for yourself.

ie:"the Screaming Eagle AC is good up to about 105 HP before it starts costing a percentage of your power".

So, what do you need when you are getting above 105 hp?...something more than the Screaming Eagle...and something more than some of the Hyperchargers. You have to decide what is best for you. The Kuryakyn is no gimmick.
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Hi all, in the process of deciding winter projects for my Fatty. Am considering the Kuryakyn Pro R Hypercharger. Anybody using one? Opinions pls. Is there anything better? Thx,Joe.
The need for air is based on how radical a build you make to your engine. If your just going the route of AC...SERT....Pipes you can go with whatever you like the looks of. If your going to get down to the most power possible and internal engine work then you need to know how much air flow will be required. I have the twin velocity on my 06 nightrain with the sert and pipes and it does just fine for now.......I am not going any further with building this one.......for now....It is an addiction...
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Imhave had much misfortune with there chrome, while still in the package. With that kind of quality control, I won't touch there stuff.

Ever wonder why, everybody knows they have such good warranties?



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If you like the looks of the Hypercharger, then buy one. But don't kid yourself... it is no better than any other high flow AC. It just looks different.
Yup...and in this case, different = ugly.
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Imhave had much misfortune with there chrome, while still in the package. With that kind of quality control, I won't touch there stuff.

Ever wonder why, everybody knows they have such good warranties?
Mine is about 10 years old and it has ZERO blemishes, chips, peeling, corrosion, or degradation of the chrome. To each his own. Look at the astronomical number of people who are very dissatisfied with how dealers' service departments operate. That doesn't mean you won't go back to them for some things...it just means you hold them accountable for their products and service. Kuryakyn is not Arlen Ness for sure...but doesn't claim to be.
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Yup...and in this case, different = ugly.
UGLY = Your Opinion

And you have every right to have that opinion. The Kuryakyn Hyperchargers will provide enough air for just about ANY build any of the folks in here have....except for drag bikes. There are a LOT of items on bikes that look cheesy, cheap, gawdy, etc, etc...in someone's opinion. You know what they say about opinions...just like ........ everybody has one.
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Yup...and in this case, different = ugly.
That's my opinion, also.
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Joe was more concerned with performance information. His eyeballs are as good as anyone else's. He doesn't need opinions about how the hypercharger looks. Performance is FACT...appearance is OPINION and personal preference.
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Well from a performance stand point they are not the best choice. Air cleaners really need to clean up the air flow path, they hyper thing does not and we have tested them on the dyno to see what they could or could not do. They are a improvement over stock but not much. WE had the best luck with Doherty Machine units. Now we also use many of the SE backing plates with a larger filter for the bigger engines. It you want looks then go for it but for the most power from a filter you are better to look else where.

We build performance engines so that is key to us, not looks. If I could get a hub cap to flow better then I would HA HA

They tend to hit my knee on the inside so that bothers me when I ride customers bikes, but they do have a very cool look I will give them that. The larger version works better than the first version , but again it sticks out way to far for me.
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I have max respect for you in here, as do all other folks in this forum. I won't even pretend to compare my knowledge to your's....period. But please comment on the below taken from the Hypercharger info. Seems to support pretty good air flow to me. I know that polished ports, etc, and anything else to make the path "SLICK" is a big time boost. One thing Kuryakyn does do is inform customers that as you build to higher HP you need to progress to different hyperchargers, or HP will be sacrificed. They are very clear on that point. I just think sometimes the hyperchargers don't get a fair shake in here.

Thanks...

"The original Hypercharger is good to about 90 HP before it starts to
cost you a percentage of your HP. An example is our 95 Wide Glide with a
Wild Things hop-up makes 120 HP with our High Five AC installed. With
the original Hypercharger installed it makes about 106HP. Even though
the bike made 106 HP with the Hypercharger, it lost power, so we do not
say it is a 106 HP AC. We did the same type of testing on a 130 HP
engine. The stock Hyper made 114 on this bike. With the Stinger upgrade
the bike again made 130 HP. We call this new upgrade the Stinger. It
adds an end element and more opening to the Hyper. This makes the
Hypercharger able to support up to the tested 130 HP on the previous
mentioned test. It may go beyond that, but that is the highest we have
tested it at so far. On a 90 HP engine, the original Hypercharger will
allow you to make 90 HP, so this is what we rate it at.

The original Twin Velocity is good to about 100 HP. The new Twin
Velocity PLUS flows enough air for around 120 HP.

The Pro Hypercharger is good for 110 HP.

The new Pro "R" Hypercharger is a new advanced design and flows an
extreme amount of air. We have not found the upper limits of this air
cleaner yet. The highest power bike we have had to test on in the shop
was over 140/140 for HP and TQ. I estimate this air cleaner to be able
to feed an engine in the 150's for HP. Maybe higher."
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