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Old 10-17-2018, 06:38 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm an analog guy. I still use nature's oil. It works fine.

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I'm an analog guy. I still use nature's oil. It works fine.

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Do you define "fine" as "adequate for the lubrication needs of the motor"? Meaning anything more is unnecessary? A waste of money? (assuming higher costs).
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Do you define "fine" as "adequate for the lubrication needs of the motor"? Meaning anything more is unnecessary? A waste of money? (assuming higher costs).
I'm pretty sure that, by definition, anything more than what's necessary is unnecessary.
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I'm pretty sure that, by definition, anything more than what's necessary is unnecessary.
Correct, thank you captain obvious!! But I was looking for his definition of "fine".
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Correct, thank you captain obvious!! But I was looking for his definition of "fine".
In my case it means in 49 years of riding motorcycles I've never had an oil related issue from using Dino oil......that's pretty "fine" to me.
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In my case it means in 49 years of riding motorcycles I've never had an oil related issue from using Dino oil......that's pretty "fine" to me.
That 'bout covers it, except that I'd add 47 years worth of cars and trucks to that 'no oil related trouble' list.

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What I wants to know if syn goes farther between oil changes. I used Rotella in my metrics worked great. Can I do the same in the hog?
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Ah yes, the age old question.

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That's a really good analogy there G...
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What I wants to know if syn goes farther between oil changes. I used Rotella in my metrics worked great. Can I do the same in the hog?
You can go longer on most oils that have their additive package boosted to handle longer service life. That can be dino or synthetic. Synthetics generally can go longer since they can handle higher heat by being more thermal stable and won't cook off some of the additives as quickly as a dino oil might do. As oil is used in service some additives are depleted and that is a more limiting factor on service life of the oil. Oil is changed for two reasons. One before contaminant level gets too high and the other is before additives are depleted.
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What I wants to know if syn goes farther between oil changes. I used Rotella in my metrics worked great. Can I do the same in the hog?
I use rotella 15w40 diesel convention oil in my vmax. No detergent, high zinc content, high shear strength. The vmax loves it. But that being said, i can not use synthetic on the max because it will slip the wet clutch.

Yes, it is true that synthetic can run a farther service interval before the oil breaks down or stops doing its job. It is also much better in cold environments due to its ability to FLOW. But your filtration system has to be able to match that interval.

The automotive industry has filters rated out to 15k miles now. And yes, i run auto filters on my bikes.... Bosch filters. Cheap, walmart has them, they are usually larger canisters, and i know they can go at least 5k before oil changes.

But i have lirerally only put 2k miles on the vmax in the last 3yrs i have had it. And guess what. Its still gotten its yearly drain and fill riding or not.

I dont think the oil you choose to run will hurt the engine in any way. (Unless you run the wrong viscosity) The only thing that would hurt it is pushing a filter past its abilities IMO. But i will say this. SYN has that wonderful ability to flow. If you have any gaskets that are about to go, syn will find a way out of them. And another thing i have noticed, sythetic doesnt seem to drown out sounds like dino does. Just doesnt seem to absorb or cousion the sounds.

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What wrong with Amsol? I thought that is the bean oil we supposed to like.
Can't please everyone. He obviously had a problem he blamed the oil for. This happens all the time in the oil industry. Some oils get credit and some get the blame for mechanical problems and or operator error. If a particular oil was bad it would show up across the country with many law suits and etc. Remember we live in the USA with a lawyer on every corner.
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Thanks George. It can be hot one day here and cool the next. Its like I don't know what wt syn to try. The 02 ran 50 wt racing oil her whole life. Never a hard cold start, but I have read that the syn coats faster. Now have to determine the wt.
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In my case it means in 49 years of riding motorcycles I've never had an oil related issue from using Dino oil......that's pretty "fine" to me.
Not to find fault with your experience, but this reminds me of when Radial tires first hit the market. The general thinking at the time was Bias tires have served me well since day one why would I want to spend more money on those tires that look half flat? There was truth to what some thought, but they didn't realize they were spending more money all along since you were very lucky to get 20,000 miles out of those Bias tires and the new radials could get 75,000 or more and even improve fuel mileage at the same time. I Remember when we changed spark plugs every 2,000 miles due to leaded gas mostly, but now you have spark plugs that go well over 100,000 miles. Just a flash back is all so nobody throw stones at me please.
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