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Old 09-30-2018, 11:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I was looking at some You Tube videos and came across this one below from Amsoil. I thought why view this as I have performed hundreds of my own oil changes through the years. Well as what usually happens to me, if I keep my mind open, is I learn something or receive a good tip or recommendation.

One of the first things new HD owners have to learn is the proper way to check the oil level. if not done properly it is easy to over service the oil. If you check your oil level after the bike has set over night or change the oil when the oil is cold it is easy to over service them as there may be some hidden oil left in the crankcase. This is due to the dry sump system design and the potential of some oil migration into the crankcase while at rest. So what I picked up from the video is do not fill the oil level to full until you have taken a short ride and then immediately recheck the oil level. Many of you might laugh at this post as very simple, but keep in mind someone had to tell you the first time you got your HD.
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Seriously, George? I have a hard time believing that you didn't know that. I'm 67 years old and I knew that as a teenager.
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Seriously, George? I have a hard time believing that you didn't know that. I'm 67 years old and I knew that as a teenager.
Oh so you knew all about the dry sump system of a HD over 50 years ago. Do a search on this forum for how many HD's have had problems as a result of over servicing their bikes, especially after an oil change. The problem happens mostly for new owners that were use to the metric bikes of one common sump.
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Oh so you knew all about the dry sump system of a HD over 50 years ago. Do a search on this forum for how many HD's have had problems as a result of over servicing their bikes, especially after an oil change. The problem happens mostly for new owners that were use to the metric bikes of one common sump.
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Well I appreciated the video George. I am one of those guys who had metrics. I have to see about a torque ratchet like she has.
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Seriously, George? I have a hard time believing that you didn't know that. I'm 67 years old and I knew that as a teenager.

"The older I get, the more I knew when I was a teenager."
There ya go Steel, fixed it for ya.
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If you check your oil level after the bike has set over night or change the oil when the oil is cold it is easy to over service them as there may be some hidden oil left in the crankcase. This is due to the dry sump system design and the potential of some oil migration into the crankcase while at rest. So what I picked up from the video is do not fill the oil level to full until you have taken a short ride and then immediately recheck the oil level. Many of you might laugh at this post as very simple, but keep in mind someone had to tell you the first time you got your HD.
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I knew that when you change your oil, you need to save a little bit, go ride the bike, then come back and see if you need to top it off.....mainly because you never get all the old oil out when you change it........YES.........that's been common knowledge for a long time.

BTW, here's another thing you apparently didn't know....... Harley isn't the only company to build dry sump engines.

I wasn't trying to bash you with my first post. I thought you were kidding about what you said. I truly couldn't believe you didn't know that. Why you chose to ridicule me, I have no clue.
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I knew that when you change your oil, you need to save a little bit, go ride the bike, then come back and see if you need to top it off.....mainly because you never get all the old oil out when you change it........YES.........that's been common knowledge for a long time.

BTW, here's another thing you apparently didn't know....... Harley isn't the only company to build dry sump engines.
I didn't know that, but the bike hasn't blowed up yet.
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What does "over servicing" mean? Is it over filling? or does it mean to service too often?

Don't give George a hard time on the dry sump thing. He's an oil expert, not a motorcycle/engine expert.

I'll ask a question, because I really don't know....

Were the pan head's and shovel head's, with the oil tanks up under the seat, referred to as Dry Sump motors?
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Were the pan head's and shovel head's, with the oil tanks up under the seat, referred to as Dry Sump motors?
Harleys are and have always been dry sump.


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'cept when they are wet sumping.

Actually, I think I remember reading that Harley-Davidson introduced their first recirculating oiling system in 1936 with the Knucklehead. I believe it was dry sump system as a wet sump system would push the engine up several more inches to accommodate the required oil reservoir.

edit: 1936, I think that's when Cap was but just a teenager.

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I knew that when you change your oil, you need to save a little bit, go ride the bike, then come back and see if you need to top it off.....mainly because you never get all the old oil out when you change it........YES.........that's been common knowledge for a long time.

BTW, here's another thing you apparently didn't know....... Harley isn't the only company to build dry sump engines.

I wasn't trying to bash you with my first post. I thought you were kidding about what you said. I truly couldn't believe you didn't know that. Why you chose to ridicule me, I have no clue.
Calling BS on you Steel.
George has been around here for years answering questions regarding oils and applications. You called him out for something you knew but maybe some novices may not know or others may have forgotten.
BTW, if you knew anything about George you wouldn't spout off about him not knowing that other companies build dry sump motors.
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Yep. Before that, it was a total loss gravity feed system.. Oil in the left tank, gas in the right tank. The oil drained from the tank to the engine to the ground. Not a politically correct way to lubricate.

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Calling BS on you Steel.
George has been around here for years answering questions regarding oils and applications. You called him out for something you knew but maybe some novices may not know or others may have forgotten.
BTW, if you knew anything about George you wouldn't spout off about him not knowing that other companies build dry sump motors.
I do know that George has been around for years answering questions. I know he is VERY knowledgeable about oil. That's why I was amazed, and thought he was just joking, with his first post. That's why I put a "smiley" at the end. HE is the one who apparently took it wrong, and made fun of me in reply. He didn't need to do that. The whole thing wasn't meant to offend anyone. Just let it go.
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There ya go Steel, fixed it for ya.
That's absolutely true!! LOL.....I'm sure I've forgotten a whole lot of things over the years.
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