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Old 10-03-2018, 09:25 AM   #16 (permalink)
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'cept when they are wet sumping.

Actually, I think I remember reading that Harley-Davidson introduced their first recirculating oiling system in 1936 with the Knucklehead. I believe it was dry sump system as a wet sump system would push the engine up several more inches to accommodate the required oil reservoir.

edit: 1936, I think that's when Cap was but just a teenager.
That is when my father was a teenager. He had a 37 knuck. I was daddies little drip at that time.
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Old 10-03-2018, 09:28 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I was looking at some You Tube videos and came across this one below from Amsoil. I thought why view this as I have performed hundreds of my own oil changes through the years. Well as what usually happens to me, if I keep my mind open, is I learn something or receive a good tip or recommendation.

One of the first things new HD owners have to learn is the proper way to check the oil level. if not done properly it is easy to over service the oil. If you check your oil level after the bike has set over night or change the oil when the oil is cold it is easy to over service them as there may be some hidden oil left in the crankcase. This is due to the dry sump system design and the potential of some oil migration into the crankcase while at rest. So what I picked up from the video is do not fill the oil level to full until you have taken a short ride and then immediately recheck the oil level. Many of you might laugh at this post as very simple, but keep in mind someone had to tell you the first time you got your HD.
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I didn't know that. Thanks, George!

Also, do you check the oil on the kickstand or standing straight up? I thought the manual said to check it on the kickstand, but just want to be sure, since I need to get mine changed.

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I didn't know that. Thanks, George!

Also, do you check the oil on the kickstand or standing straight up? I thought the manual said to check it on the kickstand, but just want to be sure, since I need to get mine changed.
Depends on the year of the bike. Yours should be on the kickstand.
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I didn't know that. Thanks, George!

Also, do you check the oil on the kickstand or standing straight up? I thought the manual said to check it on the kickstand, but just want to be sure, since I need to get mine changed.
So, you don't have a manual?

What about the markings on the dipstick? There may be 2 sets of marks labeled for "on Jiffy Stand" and "Upright".
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Depends on the year of the bike. Yours should be on the kickstand.
I believe that all the twin cams are checked on the kickstand and the tranny and primary are checked straight up.
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I knew that when you change your oil, you need to save a little bit, go ride the bike, then come back and see if you need to top it off.....mainly because you never get all the old oil out when you change it........YES.........that's been common knowledge for a long time.

BTW, here's another thing you apparently didn't know....... Harley isn't the only company to build dry sump engines.

I wasn't trying to bash you with my first post. I thought you were kidding about what you said. I truly couldn't believe you didn't know that. Why you chose to ridicule me, I have no clue.
I apologize to you over my post. After I posted it I started thinking of what you might have meant by your post and I apparently took it wrong.

As far as dry sump systems go I have worked on many over the years in race cars and thousands of jet engines since the sixties and many of them have the same problem of oil migrating back to the sump area while not running.
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How do I get the dipstick out? I have tried to pull it up and no success. Do I use a pair of water pump pliers and wiggle the pliers until the dipstick comes out?
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How do I get the dipstick out? I have tried to pull it up and no success. Do I use a pair of water pump pliers and wiggle the pliers until the dipstick comes out?
Wow I finally know an answer. Forget pulling straight up. Treat it like a wine cork. Wriggle back and forth while pulling up. Just like spanking your monkey.
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How do I get the dipstick out? I have tried to pull it up and no success. Do I use a pair of water pump pliers and wiggle the pliers until the dipstick comes out?
Use a pipe wrench. First turn it real hard to the right.
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How do I get the dipstick out? I have tried to pull it up and no success. Do I use a pair of water pump pliers and wiggle the pliers until the dipstick comes out?
Depends on the model and year, some screw in and some don't. My '04 Road King pushes in and getting it out is as Captain described.
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I apologize to you over my post. After I posted it I started thinking of what you might have meant by your post and I apparently took it wrong.

As far as dry sump systems go I have worked on many over the years in race cars and thousands of jet engines since the sixties and many of them have the same problem of oil migrating back to the sump area while not running.
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And I apologize to you for my remarks. I can see where we both misunderstood each other. I DO have the utmost respect for you and your knowledge and helpfulness to everyone here. So, let's just forget the whole thing. No harm/no foul!

Speaking of your knowledge, George, let me ask you a question about Harley 6 speed transmission lube. 75w 90, or 75w 140? The 140 seems a little "heavy" to me, but there are some that swear by it. I've never run the 140, but I'm getting ready to change it, and thought I might try the 140 this time. What are your thoughts? Or anyone else's who care to answer, for that matter.
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And I apologize to you for my remarks. I can see where we both misunderstood each other. I DO have the utmost respect for you and your knowledge and helpfulness to everyone here. So, let's just forget the whole thing. No harm/no foul!

Speaking of your knowledge, George, let me ask you a question about Harley 6 speed transmission lube. 75w 90, or 75w 140? The 140 seems a little "heavy" to me, but there are some that swear by it. I've never run the 140, but I'm getting ready to change it, and thought I might try the 140 this time. What are your thoughts? Or anyone else's who care to answer, for that matter.
The sixth speed tranny is known for making a little noise so some use a thicker viscosity to mask the noise. Many of my customers use our 75W 110 in the 6 speeds. My last road king i ran the 75W 140. I have used the 90, 110, and 140 and the thicker ones did seem to quiet the noise down some. Could have been in my head though. If you do go to the 140 this time of year make sure it is a synthetic so the colder temperatures don't have as much effect on it's viscosity until it is warmed up. Keep in mind that HD does not require a gearlube in their tranny's, but most feel more comfortable with a gearlube in their tranny.
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Thanks! Almost end of the season here in northern Ohio so I may or may not change it before storage. I may try the Amsoil 110, that seems like an in-between compromise!
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Thank-you George.

For some of the new owners, successfully checking the oil in their Harleys can be somewhat of a mystery.
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