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Old 03-26-2015, 10:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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5 quart oil change

Has anyone here done the so called " 5 qt oil change " where you drain and refill the oil tank then run the bike with the filter off till clean oil starts to come out of the filter housing before replacing the filter and topping up? I couldn't find anything here on search.
There is a youtube post with a guy doing this to his FXR and the initial crap that comes from the filter housing is pretty impressive.
I plan on changing to Mobil1 Vtwin oil and would like to get as much old oil out as possible, but don't want any disastrous happenings.
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Always seems to be something new on such an old subject, I'm not sure why you would want to I've ran them over 100,000 miles and never did that.

Have you ever known anyone that did that with their car/truck? I bet not.
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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dirtybrain is reading this now saying WTF is this? dirtybrain is reading this now saying WTF is this?
Oil has gotten way to expensive for me to justify wasting 2 quarts of it at every oil change. It may be a valid technique, but I am in the camp that believes it's just not necessary.
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Old 03-26-2015, 01:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Here's the link to the video, I'd only planned to do it as a one time thing as I change from dino to synthetic oil.
The cruddy oil at 4:40 on the video motivated me to give it a try and get rid of the maximum amount of old dino oil.
I'm OCD inclined..

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...C9E5A5E81BCBB8
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Old 03-26-2015, 01:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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We've all seen the video, it's nothing new. Have at it.
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Old 03-26-2015, 07:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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We've all seen the video, it's nothing new. Have at it.
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Alrighty then..
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Old 03-27-2015, 12:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
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This subject has come up before. Seems the majority think it's not necessary.

I've done it before and never used 2 extra quarts.

Ask the guys that think it's a waste of oil if they want that extra dirty oil that came out to top up their bike.

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Old 03-27-2015, 05:55 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Ask the guys that think it's a waste of oil if they want that extra dirty oil that came out to top up their bike.

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Pete... nobody would deliberately put "extra dirty" oil in their engine - whether it be their bike or their car. I take that back, Jiffy Lube probably does it daily - but those aren't their cars. I, along with millions of other folks, have never felt the need to use a method other than the one recommended by the manufacturer to simply change the oil. I'm sure that if it were necessary, it would be the standard procedure.

I don't recall anyone saying this method is a bad idea - just not necessary.
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Old 03-27-2015, 06:10 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I agree with most of these fine folks that it is not really required...forty years and the regular oil change hasn't caused me any problems...knock on wood...LOL.
If you want to do this though, someone sells a kit that includes everything up need to do this without damaging something...
Do a search...I don't remember the name of it,but a bunch of folks use it...
I run good oil and change it every 2500 miles, so I suspect the leftover oil is not that bad...synthetic...
Just remembered...called the scavenger or something like that...
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Old 03-27-2015, 07:16 AM   #10 (permalink)
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To me, it seems like a good idea for the 1st oil change on a used bike if the history is not known. Also on the 1st or 2nd change on a new bike. Makes sense to get possible crud/crap/minute metal out of the system. Kind'a like purging the system.

Then as long as oil changes are performed on reasonable schedule, no need to do the 5 qt. thing again. Just my O

2nd thought.... and less mess, do a couple of 500 mi. dino changes to flush the system, then go to Mobil 1 and call it good.

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Old 03-27-2015, 10:53 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Pete... nobody would deliberately put "extra dirty" oil in their engine - whether it be their bike or their car. I take that back, Jiffy Lube probably does it daily - but those aren't their cars. I, along with millions of other folks, have never felt the need to use a method other than the one recommended by the manufacturer to simply change the oil. I'm sure that if it were necessary, it would be the standard procedure.

I don't recall anyone saying this method is a bad idea - just not necessary.
Isn't the dirty oil that you flushed out the same oil you would have left in? It sounds like you are saying it's not dirty enough to take out, but too dirty to put back in.

I've only done it a couple of times myself, only because I'm not a fanatic about my bike. We've got guys on this forum that won't ride their bike because there is dust on the driveway. Some spend 3 hrs washing and waxing after a 45 min ride. It seems everytime this subject comes up people get a little nasty.

It's more than simple to do, especially on a FXR with the oil filter under the swingarm. If it makes the OP more comfortable, have at it.

If you think everything the manufacturer says is gospel, you would be mistaken. Do you think they build them to last forever? On the subject of oil, it wasn't all that long ago HD said not to use synthetic oil! Was it because they didn't have a synthetic to sell you?

Are factory Dunlops better than other tires? Is the factory air filter better than a K&N? Is Harley oil better than Mobil 1 or Amsoil?

Again on the subject of oils, have you ever noticed the selection of brands of oil at you're local parts store? Why isn't everyone buying only Ford, Chevy, Honda, etc. oil?

Is it required to get all the oil out? No. Again, if it makes someone more comfortable, go for it. We have guys on this forum that have stranger habits.

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To me, it seems like a good idea for the 1st oil change on a used bike if the history is not known. Also on the 1st or 2nd change on a new bike. Makes sense to get possible crud/crap/minute metal out of the system. Kind'a like purging the system.

Then as long as oil changes are performed on reasonable schedule, no need to do the 5 qt. thing again. Just my O

2nd thought.... and less mess, do a couple of 500 mi. dino changes to flush the system, then go to Mobil 1 and call it good.
Exactly what I did. MY FXR was sitting for a couple years before I bought it and the oil looked like crap. I bought the cheapest dino oil I could find, did a hundred miles, changed and repeated. Ended with synthetic.

Made me feel better.

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I use the scavenger puck every other oil change. Just because it makes me happy. After seeing what came out first time, I will use from now on.
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I've only done it a couple of times myself, only because I'm not a fanatic about my bike.

Is it required to get all the oil out? No. Again, if it makes someone more comfortable, go for it. We have guys on this forum that have stranger habits.

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We agree, then. Not a necessary procedure. If one feels the need to use it - then so be it. Gotta love oil threads!
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To me, it seems like a good idea for the 1st oil change on a used bike if the history is not known. Also on the 1st or 2nd change on a new bike. Makes sense to get possible crud/crap/minute metal out of the system. Kind'a like purging the system.

Then as long as oil changes are performed on reasonable schedule, no need to do the 5 qt. thing again. Just my O

2nd thought.... and less mess, do a couple of 500 mi. dino changes to flush the system, then go to Mobil 1 and call it good.
Yep, this is pretty much my situation here.
The bike is 15 years old, history unknown, and the dealer I bought it from supposedly did a full service prior to delivery including HD 360 dino oil-the oil did look pretty clean so I believe them.
So I will essentially be doing an oil change at around 500 miles.I will go ahead with the Mobil 1 purge deal this one time, then be happy
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