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Old 03-29-2018, 08:35 AM   #16 (permalink)
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That test is BS!!! I don't ride at -35*. It doesn't even get that cold where I live and even if it did I wouldn't be firing up the bike for a ride in those temps. That vid just shows that you can alter results in your favor just to sell a product to make money. I know this is an old thread but when I saw that BS vid I had to chime in.

There are many oil threads out there and it will always be a personal preference issue as many will have different results than others running the same product. I have tried both, dino and syn. products with very pronounced results in all situations in cars, diesels, turbo motors and bikes.

For me syn. is a waste of money especially in my bike. The dealer sold it to me with amsoil syn. in the motor and the top end noise was annoying to say the least. If you hear any noise that is audible, wear is happening as it is metal on metal that you hear. I put dino in there and lucas oil treatment and now the motor idles smoother and is quiet as a church mouse {for an HD} as well as higher oil pressure when hot.

The trans had that crap in it [syn.] also and after a few thousand miles it was a little noisy and shifted loud. I changed it out to dino and a little lucas and now it's quiet and shifts like a ninja [pun intended] snick not clunk.

Syn. is thin cold and when hot is thinner than water with less cushion between metal parts and why some people hear noise in the drivetrain. That alone should be enough to let you know that your oil isn't working and is telling you that your prematurely wearing out your motor/trans or whatever is making noise and needs to be addressed.

I will also say that I live where I can ride almost year round and it reaches over 100* in the summer months so all the northern folks using syn. and having no problems with it keep using it if you want to. These bikes are air and oil cooled and the hotter the climate and or the harder you ride will dictate what oil works best for you. I'm just saying that there is no one solution for everyone and use what works for you.
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Old 03-29-2018, 11:25 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 03-29-2018, 11:38 AM   #18 (permalink)
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That test is BS!!! I don't ride at -35*. It doesn't even get that cold where I live and even if it did I wouldn't be firing up the bike for a ride in those temps. That vid just shows that you can alter results in your favor just to sell a product to make money. I know this is an old thread but when I saw that BS vid I had to chime in.
So I am very interested in what part is exactly "BS". Maybe you missed the point of the video? Which is to explain oil viscosity and not about using it in you motorcycle at -35 degrees. Factually the entire video it correct and using "BS" to describe it is saying that it is lies. So what parts are lies?
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Old 03-29-2018, 12:27 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I switched to Syn and motor sounded like marbles in a tin can. Switched back, and now I just have that "normal" top end rattle at about 3K. No more Syn for me in anything I own.
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So I am very interested in what part is exactly "BS". Maybe you missed the point of the video? Which is to explain oil viscosity and not about using it in you motorcycle at -35 degrees. Factually the entire video it correct and using "BS" to describe it is saying that it is lies. So what parts are lies?
I didn't say lies, I said BS and mean it. Why test a product at a temp that is unrealistic in the real world or do you wear shorts and a tank top at -35* and go for a ride!

Let's see a viscosity test when the temp is in the 70's to 80's and ride for an hour and drain them hot to see what you end up with. Cold start test is BS unless you happen to spray your motor with liquid nitrogen to keep it running cold. LOL. Sorry for the sarcasm but to each his own and yes oil threads can and will be a sore spot for some as long as we use oil in a IC engine.
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Old 03-29-2018, 02:57 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I would also add that I will trust the advice of a 30 year authorized HD tech and 20 year HD tech over some snot nosed kid in a video trying to sell his wares. I wonder how many HD's or air cooled engines he has owned??

I have used them all syn. and dino, I always end up using dyno juice because it flat out works.
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Old 03-29-2018, 03:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I switched to Syn and motor sounded like marbles in a tin can. Switched back, and now I just have that "normal" top end rattle at about 3K. No more Syn for me in anything I own.
Had same problem as you, dealer had amsoil SYNCRAP in there. First ride in the 70's out here and an hour later I had top end noise.

Changed to dino and no more noise with the benefit of higher oil pressure when hot.
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Had same problem as you, dealer had amsoil SYNCRAP in there. First ride in the 70's out here and an hour later I had top end noise.

Changed to dino and no more noise with the benefit of higher oil pressure when hot.
With the syn my oil pressure would drop to almost nothing sitting at a stop light.

This is a bit off topic but since we're talking top end noise. I bought this but haven't installed it yet. I'm thinking I might get to it this weekend,

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I didn't say lies, I said BS and mean it. Why test a product at a temp that is unrealistic in the real world or do you wear shorts and a tank top at -35* and go for a ride!

Let's see a viscosity test when the temp is in the 70's to 80's and ride for an hour and drain them hot to see what you end up with. Cold start test is BS unless you happen to spray your motor with liquid nitrogen to keep it running cold. LOL. Sorry for the sarcasm but to each his own and yes oil threads can and will be a sore spot for some as long as we use oil in a IC engine.
You completely miss the point of the video. Calling something BS is suggesting it is untrue, not factual or lies.


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I would also add that I will trust the advice of a 30 year authorized HD tech and 20 year HD tech over some snot nosed kid in a video trying to sell his wares. I wonder how many HD's or air cooled engines he has owned??

I have used them all syn. and dino, I always end up using dyno juice because it flat out works.
Your 30 year authorized HD tech probably told you Syn oil was "too slippery" for HD engine ... well back before HD started selling it right? LOL

The snot nosed kid probably never had a Harley however he isn't talking about Harleys, he is talking about cars. Oil is still oil and the way viscosity works doesn't change from cars to harleys. He is also a mechanical engineer and an avid car enthusiast. Oh and he isn't selling any wares.

Once again the point of the video is lost. You to make it about Syn vs Mineral oil in a Harley and the video has nothing to do with that argument.
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Old 03-30-2018, 08:44 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Once again the point of the video is lost. You to make it about Syn vs Mineral oil in a Harley and the video has nothing to do with that argument.
Than what relevance does that video have if we can't compare it or relate it's use in an HD or real world conditions?

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No not to slippery, To thin and not enough cushion between moving parts which is obvious to anyone using it and seeing the oil pressure difference and drivetrain noise between the two.

As to the Harley statement you made, yeah they only sell quality products and have a history of building a bike with no engineering problems they refuse to fix.

Use what you want I'm not selling anything and am just sharing my views on that video that has no base in reality except to prove SYNCRAP outflows dino at -35*

When is the video of the two where they are compared at 300* coming out of an engine and comparing the viscosity at real world temps?
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When is the video of the two where they are compared at 300* coming out of an engine and comparing the viscosity at real world temps?
At 300, I'll take syn over dino all day every day.


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Than what relevance does that video have if we can't compare it or relate it's use in an HD or real world conditions?



No not to slippery, To thin and not enough cushion between moving parts which is obvious to anyone using it and seeing the oil pressure difference and drivetrain noise between the two.

As to the Harley statement you made, yeah they only sell quality products and have a history of building a bike with no engineering problems they refuse to fix.

Use what you want I'm not selling anything and am just sharing my views on that video that has no base in reality except to prove SYNCRAP outflows dino at -35*

When is the video of the two where they are compared at 300* coming out of an engine and comparing the viscosity at real world temps?
So, you have 7 posts on this site and 5 of them are in this OLD thread. Seems to me you have an agenda, contrary to what you say.

Oil is not supposed to "cushion" parts, it's supposed to lubricate them and, in the case of an air cooled engine, to pull heat from bad places to places it can dissipate. That said, it is well tested and documented that synthetics hold up much better to that heat than dino oils. There are plenty of videos and plenty of reading available on the subject. Check out Google some time.

As far as the cold start thing, it is also well tested and documented that most engine wear happens during startups when there is no oil flowing yet, so, that isn't really an insignificant thing. High viscosity is great, unless it keeps the oil from getting to where you want it to be.

So, care to explain why you keep harping on the subject if your stance is "to each, his own"? I mean, really, I don't give a flyin' fuk what you use or what you believe, so why is this such a big deal to you?
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