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2014 Road King - 103 - 2000 miles on oil

I've been using this 15/50 oil since the engine had 1,300 miles on it.
Very happy with it and it meets Harley requirements per the owners manual for a diesel rated oil.

Its Mystik JT8 15/50 Semi Synthetic oil, made by Citgo, who also makes HD oil.

I am also impressed by the UOA above my post from Vindex on his Victory.
The Rotella T5 15/40 looks good for anyone who needs a 40 weight.


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Here is my latest UOA on my 2013 Sportster - 5000 miles on the oil/filter, 15000 total miles on the engine.

Copper is finally coming down! Lead and tin are down.

I also had Blackstone do a particle count. This UOA was with the Harley Sportster Oil filter, 63805-80A. (20 micron standard filter)
The next UOA I will also get a particle count, that will be with the Mobil 1 M1MC-131 filter rated at 99.9% efficiency at 10 microns.

At about 1000 miles on this run I checked my plugs. The Front plug was gapped at 0.045 and the rear was at 0.035. I cleaned off a little corrosion from the top of the plugs and set the gap to 0.040.

The bike ran much smoother with the old plugs gapped at the proper 0.040" and it has improved even more with the new NGK DCPR7EIX Iridium IX plugs.

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Year: 2013
Model: XL1200C
Miles: 15000
miles on fluid:10000
Fluid used: Red Line MT-90

Stock or modified: Engine, intake, exhaust all stock
clutch type: Screamin' Eagle Performance Clutch Kit-38002-04
Performance clutch kit converts the 8-plate clutch to a 9-plate design. The surface area is increased by 13%,
and the spring rate is increased by 10% for a combination that can handle over 115 ft-lbs of torque at the crank.
Kit includes Kevlar®-based friction discs and performance clutch spring


Trans fluid history-
1000 mile service - clutch adjustment HD SYN3 used
3150 miles - new Screamin' Eagle Performance clutch installed - HD SYN3 fluid
5000 miles service - clutch adjustment Red Line MT-90 fluid (this UOA)

Blackstone Comments-
There's some extra metal and silicon here, but we're thinking that those are just residual materials
from this transmission's wear-in. The high wear is from the parts developing their tolerances, while the
silicon comes from harmless sealers used during assembly. A lot of this should wash out with this change in
fluid. Universal averages show typical wear levels for this type of Harley Davidson transmission after ~5,700
miles on the oil. The viscosity was a bit thick, but we don't think that's a problem. Check back to start
building trends.

My comments-
I haven't found very many Harley Sportster transmission/Primary UOAs. Another Forum lists a couple.
The Red Line MT-90 should have a 100 C viscosity of 15.6 cSt. So it didn't thicken, it sheared just a little.
I'm not sure if Blackstone was thinking it was Mt-85, 12.0 cST, or MTL, 10.4 cSt.
The dealer did use a little silicone on the clutch inspection cover gasket when the clutch was installed.
Maybe they also used some on the Primary cover, I haven't taken it off.

This run was started with about 2000 miles on the new clutch so a little more iron from the new steel plates wouldn't be unusual.
I ended up with about the the universal averages for iron with almost twice the miles.


Code:
2013 XL1200C Primary/Transmission

Total miles	15000
Miles on oil	10000
Date 		3/26/2016
Oil Brand       Red Line 
Type             MT-90

                                                     Universal averages  
ALUMINUM          82                                     9
CHROMIUM           0                                     1
IRON              58                                     51
COPPER	          21                                     6
LEAD               2                                     1
TIN                0                                     1
MOLYBDENUM        16                                     189
NICKEL             1                                     0
MANGANESE          1                                     1
SILVER             0                                     0
TITANIUM           0                                     0
POTASSIUM          2                                     5
BORON            137                                     160
SILICON           49                                     18
SODIUM             2                                     8
CALCIUM	        2922                                     2458
MAGNESIUM        109                                     121
PHOSPHORUS      1953                                     1086
ZINC            2199                                     500
BARIUM             0                                     0
   
SUS @ 210F                77.2
cSt Viscosity @ 100C	 14.83
Flashpoint F              440
Fuel %                  
Antifreeze %              
Water %                  0.0
Insolubles	%        TR
TBN	N/A
TAN	N/A
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Latest UOA on the right.
Engine is all stock, only change has been NGK iridium plugs DCPR7EIX.

Copper is down almost 50% again, maybe it will down to "normal" after a couple more oil changes. Lead and tin were also down.
Aluminum and iron are both less than half the universal averages from Blackstone in twice the miles. the 2500 mile averages are Alum - 5 and Iron - 11.

The insolubles are down to just a trace, so there isn't much oxidation or blow-by past the rings

I used a Mobil 1 M1MC131 oil filter this time and have the particle count below. The Mobil 1 filter hotline told me it was 99.9% efficient at 10 microns.
The oil was just a little cleaner especially in 4 and 6 micron numbers. 4 micron is down about 30%, 6 micron is down about 85% but 14 micron went up about 20%
The first particle count was using the HD standard Sportster oil filter. 63805-80A / 63796-77A They are generally believed to to be a 20 micron nominal filter (although HD doesn't list any rating)



Code:
+-----------------+-----------+----------+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 2013 HD XL1200C |           |          |             |             |             |
+-----------------+-----------+----------+-------------+-------------+-------------+
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
| Miles on oil    | 1022      | 4118     | 4860        | 5000        | 5000        |
| Total miles     | 1022      | 5140     | 10000       | 15000       | 20000       |
| Date            | 08/22/13  | 07/29/14 | 06/14/15    | 02/20/16    | 10/12/16    |
| Make up oil     | 0         | 0        | 0           | 0           | 0           |
| Oil Brand       | FF HD 360 | HD Syn3  | Red Line MC | Red Line MC | Red Line MC |
| Weight          | 20W-50    | 20w-50   | 20w-50      | 20w-50      | 20w-50      |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
| Filter          | HD C      | HD C     | HD C        | HD B        | M1 MC131    |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
| ALUMINUM        | 10        | 13       | 5           | 3           | 1           |
| CHROMIUM        | 0         | 0        | 1           | 0           | 0           |
| IRON            | 14        | 11       | 12          | 8           | 5           |
| COPPER          | 190       | 278      | 263         | 132         | 75          |
| LEAD            | 10        | 12       | 6           | 4           | 1           |
| TIN             | 10        | 17       | 27          | 9           | 3           |
| MOLYBDENUM      | 2         | 21       | 375         | 456         | 403         |
| NICKEL          | 1         | 1        | 1           | 1           | 0           |
| MANGANESE       | 2         | 1        | 0           | 0           | 0           |
| SILVER          | 1         | 0        | 0           | 0           | 1           |
| TITANIUM        | 0         | 0        | 0           | 0           | 0           |
| POTASSIUM       | 22        | 11       | 11          | 7           | 4           |
| BORON           | 314       | 258      | 48          | 15          | 13          |
| SILICON         | 29        | 14       | 11          | 10          | 8           |
| SODIUM          | 8         | 9        | 11          | 7           | 10          |
| CALCIUM         | 1411      | 1286     | 2242        | 2703        | 2214        |
| MAGNESIUM       | 776       | 726      | 156         | 45          | 16          |
| PHOSPHORUS      | 900       | 755      | 1540        | 1676        | 1516        |
| ZINC            | 1099      | 1107     | 2046        | 2315        | 1811        |
| BARIUM          | 1         | 3        | 3           | 3           | 3           |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
| SUS @ 210F      | 89.0      | 85.6     | 96.2        | 98.8        | 103.9       |
| cSt @ 100C      | 17.74     | 16.92    | 19.45       | 20.08       | 21.26       |
| Flashpoint F    | 440       | 460      | 430         | 430         | 420         |
| Fuel %          | <0.5      | <0.5     | <0.5        | <0.5        | <0.5        |
| Antifreeze %    | 0         | 0        | 0           | 0           | 0           |
| Water %         | 0         | 0        | 0           | 0           | 0           |
| Insolubles %    | 0.2       | 0.2      | 0.2         | 0.2         | tr          |
| TBN             |           | 7.0      | 6.2         |             |             |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
| ISO Code (2)    |           |          |             | 21/14       | 18/14       |
| NAS 1638 Class  |           |          |             | 12          | 10          |
| ISO Code (3)    |           |          |             | 24/21/14    | 24/18/14    |
| SAE AS4059 cpc  |           |          |             | 12          | 12          |
| 4 Micron        |           |          |             | 122237      | 85538       |
| 6 Micron        |           |          |             | 18446       | 2430        |
| 14 Micron       |           |          |             | 97          | 117         |
| 21 Micron       |           |          |             | 23          | 22          |
| 38 Micron       |           |          |             | 3           | 2           |
| 70 Micron       |           |          |             | 0           | 0           |
+-----------------+-----------+----------+-------------+-------------+-------------+
I keep the data in an Excel spreadsheet and used this link to do the formatting above. Copied the cells from Excel and pasted into the INput. I just copied the output table from the web page and put it in "Code" tags.
https://senseful.github.io/web-tools/text-table/
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Latest UOA on the right.
Engine is all stock, only change has been NGK iridium plugs DCPR7EIX.

Copper is down almost 50% again, maybe it will down to "normal" after a couple more oil changes. Lead and tin were also down.
Aluminum and iron are both less than half the universal averages from Blackstone in twice the miles. the 2500 mile averages are Alum - 5 and Iron - 11.

The insolubles are down to just a trace, so there isn't much oxidation or blow-by past the rings

I used a Mobil 1 M1MC131 oil filter this time and have the particle count below. The Mobil 1 filter hotline told me it was 99.9% efficient at 10 microns.
The oil was just a little cleaner especially in 4 and 6 micron numbers. 4 micron is down about 30%, 6 micron is down about 85% but 14 micron went up about 20%
The first particle count was using the HD standard Sportster oil filter. 63805-80A / 63796-77A They are generally believed to to be a 20 micron nominal filter (although HD doesn't list any rating)



Code:
+-----------------+-----------+----------+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 2013 HD XL1200C |           |          |             |             |             |
+-----------------+-----------+----------+-------------+-------------+-------------+
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
| Miles on oil    | 1022      | 4118     | 4860        | 5000        | 5000        |
| Total miles     | 1022      | 5140     | 10000       | 15000       | 20000       |
| Date            | 08/22/13  | 07/29/14 | 06/14/15    | 02/20/16    | 10/12/16    |
| Make up oil     | 0         | 0        | 0           | 0           | 0           |
| Oil Brand       | FF HD 360 | HD Syn3  | Red Line MC | Red Line MC | Red Line MC |
| Weight          | 20W-50    | 20w-50   | 20w-50      | 20w-50      | 20w-50      |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
| Filter          | HD C      | HD C     | HD C        | HD B        | M1 MC131    |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
| ALUMINUM        | 10        | 13       | 5           | 3           | 1           |
| CHROMIUM        | 0         | 0        | 1           | 0           | 0           |
| IRON            | 14        | 11       | 12          | 8           | 5           |
| COPPER          | 190       | 278      | 263         | 132         | 75          |
| LEAD            | 10        | 12       | 6           | 4           | 1           |
| TIN             | 10        | 17       | 27          | 9           | 3           |
| MOLYBDENUM      | 2         | 21       | 375         | 456         | 403         |
| NICKEL          | 1         | 1        | 1           | 1           | 0           |
| MANGANESE       | 2         | 1        | 0           | 0           | 0           |
| SILVER          | 1         | 0        | 0           | 0           | 1           |
| TITANIUM        | 0         | 0        | 0           | 0           | 0           |
| POTASSIUM       | 22        | 11       | 11          | 7           | 4           |
| BORON           | 314       | 258      | 48          | 15          | 13          |
| SILICON         | 29        | 14       | 11          | 10          | 8           |
| SODIUM          | 8         | 9        | 11          | 7           | 10          |
| CALCIUM         | 1411      | 1286     | 2242        | 2703        | 2214        |
| MAGNESIUM       | 776       | 726      | 156         | 45          | 16          |
| PHOSPHORUS      | 900       | 755      | 1540        | 1676        | 1516        |
| ZINC            | 1099      | 1107     | 2046        | 2315        | 1811        |
| BARIUM          | 1         | 3        | 3           | 3           | 3           |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
| SUS @ 210F      | 89.0      | 85.6     | 96.2        | 98.8        | 103.9       |
| cSt @ 100C      | 17.74     | 16.92    | 19.45       | 20.08       | 21.26       |
| Flashpoint F    | 440       | 460      | 430         | 430         | 420         |
| Fuel %          | <0.5      | <0.5     | <0.5        | <0.5        | <0.5        |
| Antifreeze %    | 0         | 0        | 0           | 0           | 0           |
| Water %         | 0         | 0        | 0           | 0           | 0           |
| Insolubles %    | 0.2       | 0.2      | 0.2         | 0.2         | tr          |
| TBN             |           | 7.0      | 6.2         |             |             |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
|                 |           |          |             |             |             |
| ISO Code (2)    |           |          |             | 21/14       | 18/14       |
| NAS 1638 Class  |           |          |             | 12          | 10          |
| ISO Code (3)    |           |          |             | 24/21/14    | 24/18/14    |
| SAE AS4059 cpc  |           |          |             | 12          | 12          |
| 4 Micron        |           |          |             | 122237      | 85538       |
| 6 Micron        |           |          |             | 18446       | 2430        |
| 14 Micron       |           |          |             | 97          | 117         |
| 21 Micron       |           |          |             | 23          | 22          |
| 38 Micron       |           |          |             | 3           | 2           |
| 70 Micron       |           |          |             | 0           | 0           |
+-----------------+-----------+----------+-------------+-------------+-------------+
I keep the data in an Excel spreadsheet and used this link to do the formatting above. Copied the cells from Excel and pasted into the INput. I just copied the output table from the web page and put it in "Code" tags.
https://senseful.github.io/web-tools/text-table/
Looks like you are getting excellent wear protection, but I have to question a few things that seem to be out of normal. One is the moly in Redline seems to be way to high for an additive package, as well as the zinc and phosphorus. I have never seen levels that high even in new oils. Also I wonder if you heard correctly from the Mobil hotline concerning the micron rating of their filter. If it was 10 micron at 99.9% efficiency, oil flow would be affected and you stated that you have some 14 micron stuff floating around in the oil. So if it takes out 10 micron almost at absolute why didn't the filter catch 99.9% of those? Also the HD filter is rated at 5 micron nominal value which means they only take out 50% of 5 microns at best. Most really good synthetic fiber filters are rated at 20 micron in the high 90% range. The Amsoil filters are 20 micron at 98.7% per ISO 4548-12. What oil lab are you using?
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I am using Blackstone for my UOAs.
I am very happy with the iron and aluminum wear so far, copper is still improving too, I hope it drops by about 50% on the next change too.
On the filtering, I am positive they told me 10 microns, the oil sample was taken from the oil tank after it had been through the engine. That may account for some of the larger particles. There was a substantial reduction in 4 and 6 micron particles.
I wasn't using the HD 5 micron filter, just the standard Sportster filter.
63805-80A / 63796-77A is what I used.
Genuine H-D® Spin-On Oil Filters consist of cured resin impregnated paper

63731-99A / 63731-99A are part numbers for the 5 Micron SuperPremium5 Oil Filter
Utilizing advances in synthetic media technology, the SuperPremium Oil Filters

On the additives, Red Line MC oil should have about 500 ppm of moly, 2500 ppm Zinc and 2100 ppm Phos according to their spec sheet.
https://www.redlineoil.com/content/f...uct%20Data.pdf

In the product section it looks like they have reduced the moly since 11/14 to 425 pmm, zinc to 2125 ppm and Phos is still 2100 ppm.
https://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=110&pcid=21

Mobil 1 V-Twin 20w-50 should have about 1750 ppm of Zinc and almost 1600 ppm Phos.
https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us...lsProductGuide

Here is a recent VOA of Mobil1 V-Twin 20w-50-
Mobil 1 V-Twin 20w-50 Virgin Analysis
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I am using Blackstone for my UOAs.
I am very happy with the iron and aluminum wear so far, copper is still improving too, I hope it drops by about 50% on the next change too.
On the filtering, I am positive they told me 10 microns, the oil sample was taken from the oil tank after it had been through the engine. That may account for some of the larger particles. There was a substantial reduction in 4 and 6 micron particles.
I wasn't using the HD 5 micron filter, just the standard Sportster filter.
63805-80A / 63796-77A is what I used.
Genuine H-D® Spin-On Oil Filters consist of cured resin impregnated paper

63731-99A / 63731-99A are part numbers for the 5 Micron SuperPremium5 Oil Filter
Utilizing advances in synthetic media technology, the SuperPremium Oil Filters

On the additives, Red Line MC oil should have about 500 ppm of moly, 2500 ppm Zinc and 2100 ppm Phos according to their spec sheet.
https://www.redlineoil.com/content/f...uct%20Data.pdf

In the product section it looks like they have reduced the moly since 11/14 to 425 pmm, zinc to 2125 ppm and Phos is still 2100 ppm.
https://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=110&pcid=21

Mobil 1 V-Twin 20w-50 should have about 1750 ppm of Zinc and almost 1600 ppm Phos.
https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us...lsProductGuide

Here is a recent VOA of Mobil1 V-Twin 20w-50-
Mobil 1 V-Twin 20w-50 Virgin Analysis
I did some research on the amounts of moly, zinc, and phosphorous that Red Line uses. The high numbers must be for marketing purposes as once the Zinc and Phosphorous levels exceed say 1400 to 1500 there is diminishing returns for wear protection and also adds to the cost of the additive package. So even with these high PPM's of these additives used by Red line they don't offer any more protection than other competitive fluids. Now with this said Red Line does an excellent job though as evidenced by the UOA.
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I've often seen the 1400-1500 ppm mentioned as the max needed. I've also seen where increasing ZDDP beyond a certain level will increase wear, my UOA seems to indicate the levels in the Red Line oil are not so high as to increase the wear. Mobil1 V-Twin also has more phos than the 1400-1500, maybe the PAO and POE oils can benefit for more ZDDP than the group II and III oils?

Unfortunately we do not know what the exact additive used is as there are several types of ZDDP. there is also the balance between detergents and ZDDP that needs to be taken into account.

It will be interesting to me to see if Phillips 66 buying Red Line will have any effect on the oil formulations.
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I've often seen the 1400-1500 ppm mentioned as the max needed. I've also seen where increasing ZDDP beyond a certain level will increase wear, my UOA seems to indicate the levels in the Red Line oil are not so high as to increase the wear. Mobil1 V-Twin also has more phos than the 1400-1500, maybe the PAO and POE oils can benefit for more ZDDP than the group II and III oils?

Unfortunately we do not know what the exact additive used is as there are several types of ZDDP. there is also the balance between detergents and ZDDP that needs to be taken into account.

It will be interesting to me to see if Phillips 66 buying Red Line will have any effect on the oil formulations.
Wasn't aware Redline has been bought out, but it doesn't surprise me as Royal Purple and Bel Ray oils were bought out last year by a large company.

what's happening to some degree is these high end synthetic specialty oils may fall victim to the consumers perception that synthetic oil is synthetic oil and they are all a like just like the dino oil perception. There already are many new players in the synthetic game that are trying to capitalize off the word full synthetic when many of them are just 100% petroleum oils.
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2013 Sportster Red Line 20w-50 5000 miles

Here is my lastest UOA running Red Line MC 20w-50 with a Mobil1 MC 131 oil filter.
The HD oil filter wrench 94863-10 does fit the Mobil 1 MC 131 filter.
Next OCI will be with the Harley Davidson SuperPremium 5 micron filter.

Copper didn't drop like I was hoping for.
All other wear is still about the Universal averages at almost twice the mileage.

I did buy a Power Vision back in December and have run a couple dozen auto tune sessions of a 30 to 60 minutes,
a couple were a couple hours long ~ 100 miles, where I ran the rpms higher than I normally do.

I also replaced my stock air cleaner element when I started the Auto Tuning.
The increase in silicone I believe was from the new air filter not filtering as well.
The silicone level went up to about what it was when the bike was new.

The particle count is still better on the 4 and 6 micron size but 14 and 21 increased.
Latest UOA is on the right side- you may need to scroll a little.

Code:
+--------+----------------+-----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
|        |  Miles on oil  |   1022    |   4118   |   4860   |   5000   |   5000   |   5000   |
+--------+----------------+-----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
|        | Total miles    | 1022      | 5140     | 10000    | 15000    | 20000    | 25000    |
|        | Date           | 08/22/13  | 07/29/14 | 06/14/15 | 02/20/16 | 10/12/16 | 08/16/17 |
|        | Make up oil    | 0         | 0        | 0        | 0        | 0        | 0        |
|        | Oil Brand      | FF HD 360 | HD Syn3  | R L MC   | R L MC   | R L MC   | R L MC   |
| Univ.  | Weight         | 20W-50    | 20w-50   | 20w-50   | 20w-50   | 20w-50   | 20w-50   |
| Av.    |                |           |          |          |          |          |          |
| 2500   | Filter         | HD C      | HD C     | HD C     | HD B     | M1 MC131 | M1 MC131 |
|  miles |                |           |          |          |          |          |          |
| 5      | ALUMINUM       | 10        | 13       | 5        | 3        | 1        | 8        |
| 1      | CHROMIUM       | 0         | 0        | 1        | 0        | 0        | 0        |
| 11     | IRON           | 14        | 11       | 12       | 8        | 5        | 6        |
| 15     | COPPER         | 190       | 278      | 263      | 132      | 75       | 72       |
| 2      | LEAD           | 10        | 12       | 6        | 4        | 1        | 1        |
| 1      | TIN            | 10        | 17       | 27       | 9        | 3        | 3        |
| 60     | MOLYBDENUM     | 2         | 21       | 375      | 456      | 403      | 461      |
| 1      | NICKEL         | 1         | 1        | 1        | 1        | 0        | 0        |
| 0      | MANGANESE      | 2         | 1        | 0        | 0        | 0        | 0        |
| 0      | SILVER         | 1         | 0        | 0        | 0        | 1        | 0        |
| 0      | TITANIUM       | 0         | 0        | 0        | 0        | 0        | 0        |
| 2      | POTASSIUM      | 22        | 11       | 11       | 7        | 4        | 1        |
| 153    | BORON          | 314       | 258      | 48       | 15       | 13       | 23       |
| 9      | SILICON        | 29        | 14       | 11       | 10       | 8        | 24       |
| 30     | SODIUM         | 8         | 9        | 11       | 7        | 10       | 7        |
| 1843   | CALCIUM        | 1411      | 1286     | 2242     | 2703     | 2214     | 2528     |
| 442    | MAGNESIUM      | 776       | 726      | 156      | 45       | 16       | 12       |
| 987    | PHOSPHORUS     | 900       | 755      | 1540     | 1676     | 1516     | 1703     |
| 1184   | ZINC           | 1099      | 1107     | 2046     | 2315     | 1811     | 2177     |
| 1      | BARIUM         | 1         | 3        | 3        | 3        | 3        | 3        |
|        |                |           |          |          |          |          |          |
|        | SUS @ 210F     | 89.0      | 85.6     | 96.2     | 98.8     | 103.9    | 99.1     |
|        | cSt @ 100C     | 17.74     | 16.92    | 19.45    | 20.08    | 21.26    | 20.14    |
|        | Flashpoint F   | 440       | 460      | 430      | 430      | 420      | 410      |
|        | Fuel         % | <0.5      | <0.5     | <0.5     | <0.5     | <0.5     | >0.5     |
|        | Antifreeze %   | 0         | 0        | 0        | 0        | 0        | 0        |
|        | Water       %  | 0         | 0        | 0        | 0        | 0        | 0        |
|        | Insolubles %   | 0.2       | 0.2      | 0.2      | 0.2      | tr       | 0.2      |
|        | TBN            |           | 7.0      | 6.2      |          |          |          |
|        |                |           |          |          |          |          |          |
|        | Particle Count |           |          |          |          |          |          |
|        |                |           |          |          |          |          |          |
|        | ISO Code (2)   |           |          |          | 21/14    | 18/14    | 20/15    |
|        | NAS 1638 Class |           |          |          | 12       | 10       | 12       |
|        | ISO Code (3)   |           |          |          | 24/21/14 | 24/18/14 | 24/20/15 |
|        | SAE AS4059 cpc |           |          |          | 12       | 12       | 12       |
|        | 4 Micron       |           |          |          | 122237   | 85538    | 99920    |
|        | 6 Micron       |           |          |          | 18446    | 2430     | 8597     |
|        | 14 Micron      |           |          |          | 97       | 117      | 269      |
|        | 21 Micron      |           |          |          | 23       | 22       | 36       |
|        | 38 Micron      |           |          |          | 3        | 2        | 3        |
|        | 70 Micron      |           |          |          | 0        | 0        | 0        |
+--------+----------------+-----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
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Old 07-09-2018, 07:32 AM   #133 (permalink)
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shanneba wants to know Dino or Syn?
2013 Sportster 5000 miles Red Line 20w-50 HD 5 micron filter

Here is my latest UOA from my 2013 Xl1200C.
Latest on the right hand side.
Scroll down to see the particle counts.
30000 miles on the bike, 5000 miles on the oil.

Copper is still high.... I'm thinking rear valve guide.
I do see VEs on the rear cylinder that seem to vary at idle 3-5 %


I ran the 63731-99A HD Premium 5 micron filter this time to compare to the 63805-80A Standard HD and Mobil 1 M1MC-131 filter.

Scroll down in the code window to the particle counts.
First particle count is the HD 63805-80A Standard Sportster filter.
The second and third particle count is the Mobil1 M1MC-131.
The last one is the HD 63731-99A HD Premium 5 micron.

The 5 micron Premium filter did better at 4 and 6 microns than the Standard Sportster filter.
Not as good at 14, 21, 38 and 70 micron.
Maybe the 5 micron Premium filter isn't as "restrictive" as it seems

The next oil change will be using the WIX 57148 filter.
It is rated as 50% at 6 microns and 95% at 20 microns.
(the HD oil filter wrench, 94863-10, doesn't fit the WIX, the filter is 15 flutes and slightly ~2mm smaller diameter)

Code:
Miles on oil	4860	5000	5000	5000	5000
Total miles	10000	15000	20000	25000	30000
Date 	       06/15	02/16	10/16	08/17	06/18
Make up oil	0	0	0	0	0
Oil Brand	R L MC	R L MC	R L MC	R L MC	RL MC
Weight	    20w-50	20w-50	20w-50	20w-50	20w-50
					
Filter	        HD C	HD B	M1MC131	M1MC131	HD 5 mic
					
ALUMINUM	5	3	1	8	2
CHROMIUM	1	0	0	0	0
IRON     	12	8	5	6	4
COPPER	       263	132	75	72	84
LEAD	        6	4	1	1	2
TIN       	27	9	3	3	3
MOLYBDENUM	375	456	403	461	430
NICKEL	        1	1	0	0	0
MANGANESE	0	0	0	0	0
SILVER	        0	0	1	0	0
TITANIUM	0	0	0	0	0
POTASSIUM	11	7	4	1	3
BORON	        48	15	13	23	13
SILICON	        11	10	8	24	28
SODIUM	        11	7	10	7	7
CALCIUM	        2242	2703	2214	2528	2395
MAGNESIUM	156	45	16	12	10
PHOSPHORUS	1540	1676	1516	1703	1648
ZINC     	2046	2315	1811	2177	1980
BARIUM	          3	3	3	3	2
					
SUS @ 210F	96.2	98.8	103.9	99.1	97.1
cSt @ 100C	19.45	20.08	21.26	20.14	19.67
Flashpoint F	430	430	420	410	430
Fuel         %	<0.5	<0.5	<0.5	<0.5	<0.5
Antifreeze %	0	0	0	0	0
Water       %	0	0	0	0	0
Insolubles %	0.2	0.2	tr	0.2	0.1
TBN	        6.2				
					
Particle Count					
					
ISO Code (2)		21/14	18/14	20/15	20/17
NAS 1638 Class		12	10	12	12
ISO Code (3)		24/21/1424/18/1424/20/1524/20/17
SAE AS4059 cpc		12	12	12	12
4 Micron		122237	85538	99920	95886
6 Micron		18446	2430	8597	7971
14 Micron		97	117	269	1139
21 Micron		23	22	36	412
38 Micron		3	2	3	42
70 Micron		0	0	0	2
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Old 03-19-2019, 06:11 AM   #134 (permalink)
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alarmguy is reading this now saying WTF is this?
I thought this would be my worst UOA and turns out the best.
About 70% interstate, recording the longest run of hot oil temps ever. Wasnt uncommon to be in the 250 to 265 range. Temps are hottest on the interstate @ 80 MPH (gps) and stuck in traffic.

Typical summer riding, 1 week up in the mountains, 2 up, packed with luggage, Maggie Valley, Tail of the Dragon, Maryville TN, Pigeon Forge, Gatlinburg.
Then on the flip side, many day trips to the beach. 2 hours each way on 80 MPH interstate, scorching hot riding in beach traffic I felt I cooked the oil the most ever, but, of course, it didnt matter.
I DO have a Lenale engine fan for the stuck in traffic part and it does stabilize the oil temp, though I only use it as a last resort as it cooks your leg, after oil, the heat has to go someplace.

All UOA test results are the same oil.



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