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Old 07-19-2006, 01:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Does anyone know an easy way to install a 200mm tire on a 2001 FXST. As the 2006 FXST have a 200mm tire with a 5.5" rim and they use a narrower belt. I am running a strutless 9" wide rear fender with a 160mm tire. If I buy a 5.5" rim what else would I have to do. No one at harley know what they really did to fit the 200mm tirel.
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Old 07-19-2006, 03:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Does anyone know an easy way to install a 200mm tire on a 2001 FXST. As the 2006 FXST have a 200mm tire with a 5.5" rim and they use a narrower belt. I am running a strutless 9" wide rear fender with a 160mm tire. If I buy a 5.5" rim what else would I have to do. No one at harley know what they really did to fit the 200mm tirel.
First off, the 2006 rear wheel is 6" x 17"
You should be able to do this without too much problem as you have already got rid of the struts. You will need the narrow belt and rear sprocket plus the correct spacers - I am looking for someone that has actually done this - here is information that I have found on another forum so far.........

I have a chance to buy a take off rim, tire, pulley and rotor from an 2006 night train for a good price. Does any one know if the swingarm on the 2006 and 2004 are the same width?

I don't think they are, or if they are, you still need to replace the rear fender with a 9" custom to fit the 200 tire in there, and that means cutting off the frame horns.

There are kits that will run a 200 tire but they convert to chain drive. I need to know if the new, narrow belt will allow the 200 on a 17 x 6 rim to fit in there.

If it does, there are a few Softail / Night Train rear wheels on eBay......

Here are some part number from there -

In this auction you will be bidding on the following items which
were taken off of a 2006 Harley Davidson Softail Standard,

odometer reading just under 1100 miles.

The names, numbers, and retail prices of these parts

were provided by the local dealership

where the Harley was purchased less than 3 months ago.

Front Laced wheel , 21...43700-05...$354.99

Rear Cast Alloy, silver ...41231-06... $381.99

Dunlop D402F MH90-21 M/C 54H Front... $87.99

Dunlop Sportmax Touring 200/55R17 M/C 78V...$148.99

2 sets Wheel Bearings ... 9267... $59.98ea

Bearing Sleeve... 43608-00 ... $7.99

Spacer Sleeve... 43618-06 ... $7.99

Seal Ring ... 43727-00... $5.99

Front Brake Disc ... 44156-00 ... $101.99

Rear Brake Disc ... 41797-00 ...$110.99


If the 06 swingarm is wider, longer axle and spacers probably make up the difference between that bike and yours. Measure your hub versus the new hub though. If they're the same you're probably looking better. Then there's the tire clearances that were mentioned.

Yes I am planning on mounting the 2006 fender. I have found a set of bolt on fender struts that should work. The best measurements I can make with the bike assembled is that the 2006 swingarm is 10 1/4" and the 2004 is 9 3/4" measured at the axle. but when I make the measurements at the pivot shaft everything measures the same.

The 2004 uses a long left side spacer and the left wheel bearing is recessed into the hub an inch inside the pulley. on the 2006 the left wheel bearing is flush with pulley center line. The brake caliper mount on the 2006 has a quarter inch machined off of the part that goes over the axle. This moves the caliper out board and it looks like the right hand spacer is the same on both bikes. The 2006 wheel measures 7 1/4" from the outside of the left inner bearing race to the outside of the right inner bearing race.

Yes when I do the project I will post pictures. The fender new in primer from www.zanottimotor.com # 59914-06 is $133.46 the taillight base I don't have a # on yet but should cost about $50 based on price from local dealer. Struts are in the JP cycle catalog $279 chrome $120 raw.
If needed the swingarm # 47614-06bhp is $280.72 and I think it will be needed. I think the width is 1/2" wider. The primary is in the same location. No parts needed there. I will attempt to use the 1 1/8" belt and pulley first. It will make clearences thighter than HD likes but it should work.


Why do you think you will need the swingarm?

I have been doing more research and found on http://www.hogpro.com/ that they say this about their Fatback 200 Strutless Kit -

We have developed a true Bolt-On 180 / 200 tire kit for all 2000 and newer Softail models (except Deuce). The kit includes a steel strutless fender, An available frenched in chrome billet license frame and Cateye L.E.D. light with turn indicators built in. The wiring plugs into the stock harness with no cutting or soldering and includes a plug in turn signal load equalizer. The fender is cut out at the base to accept the stock electronics module. Any stock and most after-market seats will bolt up. The kit is designed to accept an 18 x 5.50 rear wheel with a 180MM or 200MM tire, Harley belt and stock swingarm. Kit requires finishing and painting, removal of stock fender horns and the seperate purchase of a wheel and tire for 180. The 200 tire requires the seperate purchase of wheel, tire, pulley, and 2006 Softail belt.


Just from the measurements I've made I think the 2006 swingarm will be required to use a 200mm tire with an 1 1/8" belt Using the HD 17" rim and dunlop tire which is what I am going to atempt. The dunlop installed on the rim is 7 3/8" wide 1 1/8 " for the belt 1/4" is being used for clearence between the belt and the left side of the swingarm ( this can't be changed with out moving the primary) This totals 8 3/4"
The widest part of the tire is about 11 7/8" from center. Measuring in
11 7/8" from the axle center and then measuring the width of the swing arm I get 8 13/16. Nothing left for clearence and we haven't even talked about the caliper yet.


I've decided to go with the narrow belt. My next decision is the swingarm with the 17" x 6" rim the I don't beleive it is possible to make enough clearance for the caliper when useing the 2004 swingarm. I think the 18" x 5.5" must allow just enough extra room.
I'm trying to do this all with measurements because I not ready to tear my bike apart yet. I have three rallies i'm going to in the next 6 weeks.
Anyway back to the point even once I machine the caliper as much as possible on the outside I still need about 1/4" clerance between the inside of the caliper and the rim.
Hog Pro or D&M Custom mentioned their special caliper mount ? anyone know what they are doing ? Also any one know how thick the caliper casting is on the inside next to the rim?
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Deuce Rear Wheel 17" x 4.5"
Fatboy Front Wheel 17" x 3.5"
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Old 07-19-2006, 11:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I have a 9" strutless fender mounted already and I am running a 160mm tire And I am not running any belt guards at all. I like the clean look it gives. So you are saying all I need to do is buy a 18 x 5.5 rim and a 200mm tire, the 2006 narrow belt and spacers for the pully or the rim? And do you know where to located these spacers that i need.

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I have a 9" strutless fender mounted already and I am running a 160mm tire And I am not running any belt guards at all. I like the clean look it gives. So you are saying all I need to do is buy a 18 x 5.5 rim and a 200mm tire, the 2006 narrow belt and spacers for the pully or the rim? And do you know where to located these spacers that i need.

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2004 Softail NON Standard
Deuce Rear Wheel 17" x 4.5"
Fatboy Front Wheel 17" x 3.5"
D&D Fatcat 2-1 Exhaust
ThunderMax with Autotune
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Old 08-22-2006, 12:17 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Found another option on eBay and their website; seems too easy now, pricey but if it works, you will be

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2004 Softail NON Standard
Deuce Rear Wheel 17" x 4.5"
Fatboy Front Wheel 17" x 3.5"
D&D Fatcat 2-1 Exhaust
ThunderMax with Autotune
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Yes I do, I make a strut that allows you to mount the 200 tire using all stock HD parts you have any questions about it please feel free to contact me.

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Yes I do, I make a strut that allows you to mount the 200 tire using all stock HD parts you can check out the web site www.customstruts.com If you have any questions about it please feel free to contact me.
Hi there JOE,

may I suggest that you go to the Introduction thread and tell everyone who you and what you do before long, or they will be JUMPING all over you
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Fatboy Front Wheel 17" x 3.5"
D&D Fatcat 2-1 Exhaust
ThunderMax with Autotune
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