Help me make up my mind...

[honorsdaddy]

Ok - so we rode a Vision this weekend at the Lone Star Rally. All i can say is, it may have been a BIG mistake. I now no longer like my Road Glide

That being said, I've got the opportunity to trade my 09 RG for an 09 Vision Tour Premium basically straight across. Unless someone can give me a reason why this would be a BAD idea, we're probably gonna do it if i can get SWMBO to agree on the color. (Ice Blue is all my dealer has left in an 09, and there are no 10's in yet)

So, in short, what I'm looking for are reasons NOT to do it, just to see if i CAN talk myself out of it. Are there any mechanical issues to be aware of? Any really obnoxious "gotcha's"? Any heat issues for example?

Basically - im looking for input from Vision owners, not Vision bashers.

Thanks in advance.

[arealinvestor]

Originally Posted by honorsdaddy

Ok - so we rode a Vision this weekend at the Lone Star Rally. All i can say is, it may have been a BIG mistake. I now no longer like my Road Glide

That being said, I've got the opportunity to trade my 09 RG for an 09 Vision Tour Premium basically straight across. Unless someone can give me a reason why this would be a BAD idea, we're probably gonna do it if i can get SWMBO to agree on the color. (Ice Blue is all my dealer has left in an 09, and there are no 10's in yet)

So, in short, what I'm looking for are reasons NOT to do it, just to see if i CAN talk myself out of it. Are there any mechanical issues to be aware of? Any really obnoxious "gotcha's"? Any heat issues for example?

Basically - im looking for input from Vision owners, not Vision bashers.

Thanks in advance.

Go ride the 2010 Ultra & compare it to the Victory!!! Then you will compare apples to apples!!!

[honorsdaddy]

Originally Posted by arealinvestor

Go ride the 2010 Ultra & compare it to the Victory!!! Then you will compare apples to apples!!!

I have - which is why we bought the RG. I don't like the feel of the batwing fairing.

FYI - from a ride quality perspective, the RG and the Ultra have the exact same frame and suspension. Ultimately they're the same bike with a different fairing and one has a trunk (and some MINOR amenity upgrades).

I really fail to see what you find so funny.

[Diamondrmp]

The 2010 Ultra still is not an apples to apples comparison. The Vision is comparable to the Gold Wing.

Now apples to apples? Victory is now delivering the new Cross Roads and Cross Country. You might want to try those out before making your decision. That is apples to apples.

The Cross Country (XC) is the bike with the fairing. The Cross Roads (XR) is with a windshield.

Good luck and lets us know your decision. Oh and just to show you what has already been done to an XC by Cory Ness.

[merc64]

I switched over to an 09 Vision from a RKC. Can't say I've had any real issues with the Vision. The biggest complaint you'll find is the radio and heat. Basically Victory messed up by trying to hide the antenna. The reception is terrible. I use my Ipod most of the time so not that big of deal for me. Now these suckers do get hot in the summer. Many have put the lower deflectors on which seem to help. I don't like the look of them so I didn't and have found the heat manageable. I live in Georgia so I'm talking really hot.

Having said all that if you are a "Harley" kind of guy ya might want to stay with your RG. Look at it like this; the new Camaro might beat the Mustang in all categories but I'm still a Ford guy at heart and would buy the Mustang.

At the end of the day they are both excellent bikes, you can't really go wrong with either one.

[arealinvestor]

Originally Posted by honorsdaddy

I have - which is why we bought the RG. I don't like the feel of the batwing fairing.

FYI - from a ride quality perspective, the RG and the Ultra have the exact same frame and suspension. Ultimately they're the same bike with a different fairing and one has a trunk (and some MINOR amenity upgrades).

I really fail to see what you find so funny.

The ride is not the same in my opinion.The RG handles better at high speeds,but is not as comfortable as the UC!!!

[honorsdaddy]

Originally Posted by Diamondrmp

The 2010 Ultra still is not an apples to apples comparison. The Vision is comparable to the Gold Wing.

Now apples to apples? Victory is now delivering the new Cross Roads and Cross Country. You might want to try those out before making your decision. That is apples to apples.

The Cross Country (XC) is the bike with the fairing. The Cross Roads (XR) is with a windshield.

Good luck and lets us know your decision. Oh and just to show you what has already been done to an XC by Cory Ness.

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The XC is being considered. Wife just fell in love with the ride on the Vision, and honestly, I admit to being tempted by all the creature comforts on the Vision.

I've heard a few people mention heat....i can only guess that those people havent ridden a newer (08 and up) HD touring bike. PAINFULLY warm.

[honorsdaddy]

Originally Posted by arealinvestor

The ride is not the same in my opinion.The RG handles better at high speeds,but is not as comfortable as the UC!!!

It also handles better at low speeds. Pulling 50lbs off the forks DOES make a difference.

That aside, from a comfort perspective, while the stock seat is better on the EGC, our RG didnt have a stock seat for more than about 3 days.

Look - if you're an HD fan, good for you. Personally, I dont care WHO makes it - i just want to enjoy it. If by some bizarre quirk of fate, Hyosung or Ural came out with a large-frame touring bike that I liked, I'd probably consider it too.

[joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by honorsdaddy

The XC is being considered. Wife just fell in love with the ride on the Vision, and honestly, I admit to being tempted by all the creature comforts on the Vision.

I've heard a few people mention heat....i can only guess that those people havent ridden a newer (08 and up) HD touring bike. PAINFULLY warm.

I went form an '06 RG to my Vision...here are my thoughts after owning the Vision for 2 1/2 months...(Long read but worth it) http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/vi...oad-glide.html

As for heat; the Vision has NOTHING compared to the Road Glide, my left ankle gets HOT in the summer but on the RG EVERYTHING got HOT, SWEATY, STICKY, just UNCOMFORTABLE!!!

Get the Vision you WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED!!!!

[arealinvestor]

I dont really see how a person can compare an air cooled bike to a water cooled bike.How can you do a heat comparison on the 2???Common sense will tell you that the water cooled is going to run much cooler.When you buy an HD you know what your getting.You have to truly love & appreciate HD for what it is(70 yr old motor technology with newer upgrades around it).There are some great Metric's out there,but do they have the history that HD has???? no!!!! Will they hold as much value as the HD????? no!!!! Part of making a bike your own, is putting your own touch on it.If HD has extreme heat to you,then fix it & make it right.Tune it properly & fix the problem.If you no longer like the HD then stop complaining & dont let the door hit you in the a$$!!!

[joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by arealinvestor

I dont really see how a person can compare an air cooled bike to a water cooled bike.How can you do a heat comparison on the 2???Common sense will tell you that the water cooled is going to run much cooler.When you buy an HD you know what your getting.You have to truly love & appreciate HD for what it is(70 yr old motor technology with newer upgrades around it).There are some great Metric's out there,but do they have the history that HD has???? no!!!! Will they hold as much value as the HD????? no!!!! Part of making a bike your own, is putting your own touch on it.If HD has extreme heat to you,then fix it & make it right.Tune it properly & fix the problem.If you no longer like the HD then stop complaining & dont let the door hit you in the a$$!!!

FIRST AND FOREMOST get your facts STRAIGHT.....VICTORY's ARE NOT WATER COOLED!!! They are air and oil cooled...All this HISTORY stuff about HD get another CLUE INDIAN has the history not HD, yeah HD has been around, but INDIAN designed and made the V-twin what it is TODAY NOT HD!

Who buys anything MECHANICAL for resale value??? THEY ALL DEPRECIATE!
and have you priced a HD for resale lately....They don't bring PREMIUM money any more, none do, it's called a RECESSION...and over production by HD has driven the price down and it is still falling.

[arealinvestor]

Originally Posted by joeschmoe

FIRST AND FOREMOST get your facts STRAIGHT.....VICTORY's ARE NOT WATER COOLED!!! They are air and oil cooled...All this HISTORY stuff about HD get another CLUE INDIAN has the history not HD, yeah HD has been around, but INDIAN designed and made the V-twin what it is TODAY NOT HD!

Who buys anything MECHANICAL for resale value??? THEY ALL DEPRECIATE!
and have you priced a HD for resale lately....They don't bring PREMIUM money any more, none do, it's called a RECESSION...and over production by HD has driven the price down and it is still falling.

I never said they were,I'm talking about Metrics in general.There has been much dicussion about who invented the v-twin we can argue that all day.The fact is HD has progressed in improving on it & in the process made a name for themselves.Indian has fallen off ,& last i heard they are not even making bikes anymore!!!As far as, buying something mechanical for resale;who does that??? However,it is nice to know that when selling, you can get a good price for your bike!!!

[joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by arealinvestor

I never said they were,I'm talking about Metrics in general.There has been much dicussion about who invented the v-twin we can argue that all day.The fact is HD has progressed in improving on it & in the process made a name for themselves.Indian has fallen off ,& last i heard they are not even making bikes anymore!!!As far as, buying something mechanical for resale;who does that??? However,it is nice to know that when selling, you can get a good price for your bike!!!

True, but this is a Victory forum so I figured you were talking about Vic's...my bad....Last i had heard Indian was trying again under new owners but who knows, it's all internet hear say anyway....

As for selling a bike OK, but HD has OVER produced and has hurt their own resale value, Victory's are carrying a good resale value if you can find anyone willing to get rid of theirs...But this economy has FORCED many peopel to unload their bikes (HD, Victory, and all others)

[springer-]

The Victory vs HD thing is getting old. They are 2 different bikes. If you like Victory, more power to you. If you like HD great. This bickering and fighting over which one is better is childish.

arealinvestor, this thread is comparing Victories and HD's. Making statements about water cooled vs air cooled when the conversation has nothing to do with water cooled certainly makes it look like you don't have a clue about them.

"If you no longer like the HD then stop complaining & don't let the door hit you in the a$$!!!" READ THE FORUM RULES HERE ... http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/faq.php Make note of rule #2 that states "You cannot verbally attack another member just because you do not agree with his or her post. Disagreements must be done in a tasteful, respectful manner."

I don't think either one of you quite have the facts right about Indian or Harley and what they meant to the modern day V-Twin. But that is another thread entirely. As for HD vs Victory, ride what YOU like, if you ride a certain brand to please others, you probably shouldn't even be riding.

Many years ago there was a great comparison of touring bikes in one of the larger motorcycle rags, it might have been Cycle World. They compared all the metric touring bikes, goldwing, and a HD touring. It was a very in-depth look at all aspects of them. The magazine is typically biased toward the metric bikes but I read the article anyway. They had all the statistical data on braking, handling, power, cost etc. In virtually every category one or more of the metric bikes was on the top of the list. At the end of the article they had their "conclusion" and it went something like this .... "Even though it didn't handle as good, didn't have the best brakes, was not the most powerful, and was more expensive, we picked the Harley because it was better at being a Harley."

If what you want is a Harley then there is no other bike that will do. It is not about comfort, ride, handling, braking, power, cost or resale value. It is about it being a Harley. If you couldn't care less, then any other bike on the market might be a better fit for you.

So if you want to continue fighting about it, PM each other your phone number but don't do it here.

[arealinvestor]

Originally Posted by springer-

The Victory vs HD thing is getting old. They are 2 different bikes. If you like Victory, more power to you. If you like HD great. This bickering and fighting over which one is better is childish.

arealinvestor, this thread is comparing Victories and HD's. Making statements about water cooled vs air cooled when the conversation has nothing to do with water cooled certainly makes it look like you don't have a clue about them.

"If you no longer like the HD then stop complaining & don't let the door hit you in the a$$!!!" READ THE FORUM RULES HERE ... http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/faq.php Make note of rule #2 that states "You cannot verbally attack another member just because you do not agree with his or her post. Disagreements must be done in a tasteful, respectful manner."

I don't think either one of you quite have the facts right about Indian or Harley and what they meant to the modern day V-Twin. But that is another thread entirely. As for HD vs Victory, ride what YOU like, if you ride a certain brand to please others, you probably shouldn't even be riding.

Many years ago there was a great comparison of touring bikes in one of the larger motorcycle rags, it might have been Cycle World. They compared all the metric touring bikes, goldwing, and a HD touring. It was a very in-depth look at all aspects of them. The magazine is typically biased toward the metric bikes but I read the article anyway. They had all the statistical data on braking, handling, power, cost etc. In virtually every category one or more of the metric bikes was on the top of the list. At the end of the article they had their "conclusion" and it went something like this .... "Even though it didn't handle as good, didn't have the best brakes, was not the most powerful, and was more expensive, we picked the Harley because it was better at being a Harley."

If what you want is a Harley then there is no other bike that will do. It is not about comfort, ride, handling, braking, power, cost or resale value. It is about it being a Harley. If you couldn't care less, then any other bike on the market might be a better fit for you.

So if you want to continue fighting about it, PM each other your phone number but don't do it here.

I wasn't trying to verbally attack the guy.It was a differing of opinion.I don't have time for personal attacks.The whole forum is opinion based,If we can't express our opinion without fear of being attacked ,or sanctioned then what good is the forum???