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Old 11-08-2012, 10:10 AM   #31 (permalink)
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It's not factored in the MSRP. See that high-ceilinged building you're standing in? See the folks in the little offices around the outside? See the guys who check-in your bike at the service desk? These people all need to be paid, the building has rent service due, a heating bill, cooling bill, trash pick up, cleaning, window washing, etc. Some months sales are really slow. All that "money grab" is just their way to stay in business....

Sorry but not a valid argument for defending their deceiving "money grab" policy because every retail business has the expenses you mentioned. In fact furniture stores have the highest cost per square foot of any. (Most square footage required per dollar value of merchandise).
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Sorry but not a valid argument for defending their deceiving "money grab" policy because every retail business has the expenses you mentioned. In fact furniture stores have the highest cost per square foot of any. (Most square footage required per dollar value of merchandise).
I'm not trying to defend anything - just explain it. Obviously, furniture stores have high margins on their merchandise, and more inventory turnover. That bedroom suite made in Mexico you bought at the discount furniture store for $900? It costs $320 to build, and another $120 in shipping and handling to the store.

Retail businesses have many different ways to get you in the door. For vehicles, it's the low purchase price. It's what worked with the American people, and we as a society accept it. We used to haggle over vehicles in the past, so they built in these pads to make sure they could keep the lights on while letting you think you made a great deal. I guess we can be mad at our parents.

I travel all over the world. In some cultures they haggle over crap like eggs and soap. When's the last time you haggled with a check-out clerk at KMart or the gorcery store. Someone from another culture would call you a sucker for not haggling the price down on EVERYTHING.

You see those ads on TV for free stuff, and the fine print says you have to pay shipping and handling? It's simply a sales technique. You call it a "deceiving money grab" for a Harley dealer. How do they deceive you? Do they not show you the fee before you sign on the bill of sale? Do they try to hide it during the sales process? Do they put their thumb over the number and hope you're too dim to do simple addition? [My delear did not. It was posted up front on the tag along with all other fees to present a bottom line number.]

The only "greedy" people who can force you to part with your money against your will is your government. Period. Everything else is negotiable, and ultimately settles on a reasonable price. If you don't like it, refuse to pay it. Simple.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:30 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I'm not trying to defend anything - just explain it. Obviously, furniture stores have high margins on their merchandise, and more inventory turnover....
Actually furniture has a much lower turnover of inventory. This and the square footage floor cost is why their margins are higher.



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You call it a "deceiving money grab" for a Harley dealer. How do they deceive you? Do they not show you the fee before you sign on the bill of sale? Do they try to hide it during the sales process?
Doc fees are similar to "shop supply" charges. If they're intentionally left out of the price, or hidden is such fine print as to be invisible and added later, they are deceiving. Look at it this way; if they do need to collect these costs and did not want to deceive, they would simply included them in the price posted. Naturally the price posted would be higher and that may put off the potential buyer, hence the trickery. Ask any car salesman.

The above applies less to dealers who at least list these charges on their tag, but it's still questionable IMO. Look how many buyers (often new first time buyers) who may know the MSRP on the vehicle they are interested in purchasing, are instructed by dealers that that MSRP is not the price you pay. "There's the $250 doc fee to cover all the paperwork that the manufacturer and state require us to do." (actually 15 minutes by their $15 the employee). Is this not deceitful?
Their latest lie is to say "the state requires us to collect this doc fee from everyone, there's nothing we can do about it". In reality the attorney general for the state of WV got tired of so many complaints from customers about this tactic, some paying one amount, others negotiating it down, or off all together, that they require dealers now; "if you're going to charge a doc fee it has to be the same for everyone." See how dealers misrepresent that "the state requires us to collect this amount"?
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