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Old 10-23-2012, 04:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ethanol fuel history - interesting

I was reading Huskerbob's post on the use of ethanol in Harleys and got to wondering about the fuel we are forced to use. I didn't want to hi-jack his thread as this is not an answer to his questions. I learned a lot of info I didn't know. I found it a good read. See for yourself.

http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_fuel_history.html
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Some of the timeline entries seem to contradict each other.

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One interesting thing I read is, they can't transport it with ethanol, cause it attracts water. So it is added later by various parties. They claim maybe even a truck driver. The may add more to get more tax credits?? Not sure how it works, but the idea is there could be to much alcohol, which can damage your engine.
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100% ethanol is used in IndyCar and has been for years. Prior to that, it was 100% methanol. As a racing fuel, it makes a world of sense because it can be diluted with water and therefore fires can be extinguished with water.

I think the ability to make an engine that isn't damaged by it is there, but the greater concern is turning farm lands into fuel lands, if you will. It's got to be the greatest misuse of farm lands I can imagine.
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Corn is not used that much for the production. Sugar cane stalks and beets are as popular but right now corn is more abundant.
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One interesting thing I read is, they can't transport it with ethanol, cause it attracts water. So it is added later by various parties. They claim maybe even a truck driver. The may add more to get more tax credits?? Not sure how it works, but the idea is there could be to much alcohol, which can damage your engine.
Drivers did blend the product a few years ago, and may still splash blend in very rural areas of the country, but terminals in metropolitan areas automatic blend at the loading rack. I suppose a computer error could occur to over or under blend, but there are backups to detect those errors.
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I have nothing against ethanol fuel as i'm sure it has it's place as an alternate fuel. The problem i have is the way it's forced down our throats like so many other government regulations. There are a lot of engines out there that are not designed to run on this fuel mixture. Sure they tolerate it but at what expense? I would like to see more stations that offer a choice. Here where i live (IL) there are no stations in my area that offer ethanol free gas.
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One problem is the government is requiring it.

New engines are probably not effected by it the way they were years ago. They may be able to build newer engine that run on even higher percent. But the government is forcing the sale of it, and there are still engine not built for it.

Hell, I got cat converter on my weed wacker. Next thing you know the liberals will require electric chainsaws and weed wackers. We will be over run by squirels.
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One problem is the government is requiring it.

New engines are probably not effected by it the way they were years ago. They may be able to build newer engine that run on even higher percent. But the government is forcing the sale of it, and there are still engine not built for it.

Hell, I got cat converter on my weed wacker. Next thing you know the liberals will require electric chainsaws and weed wackers. We will be over run by squirels.
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I have nothing against ethanol fuel as i'm sure it has it's place as an alternate fuel. The problem i have is the way it's forced down our throats like so many other government regulations. There are a lot of engines out there that are not designed to run on this fuel mixture. Sure they tolerate it but at what expense? I would like to see more stations that offer a choice. Here where i live (IL) there are no stations in my area that offer ethanol free gas.
Here's a problem for us in our bikes, mowers, chainsaws etc.:

EPA's new 4-gallon gas rule sparks debate" JSOnline Journal Sentinel, Sept. 18, 2012
Excerpt: "...Without the rule, a motorcyclist who followed an E15 customer at the pump, but who only purchased two gallons of E10, could receive enough residual E15 from the hose and nozzle to violate an engine warranty and possibly cause engine problems..." LINK: http://www.jsonline.com/business/4ga...170272246.html

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100% ethanol is used in IndyCar and has been for years. Prior to that, it was 100% methanol. As a racing fuel, it makes a world of sense because it can be diluted with water and therefore fires can be extinguished with water.

I think the ability to make an engine that isn't damaged by it is there, but the greater concern is turning farm lands into fuel lands, if you will. It's got to be the greatest misuse of farm lands I can imagine.
Ethanol is also highly boost and compression tolerant. That's how you make real power with it.
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No matter how you cut it, it's still low power fuel.







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No matter how you cut it, it's still low power fuel.







True, I think E10 has a 2% negative affect on power. If 2% is worth jumping through hoops for, by all means jump. For me, I'll just pump the E10 in and ride.

Diesel is about 25% better than pure gasoline. Maybe a 120 inch diesel is the answer for all of us!
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