Ethanol fuel history - interesting

[sportcruiser]

Originally Posted by webco2

The Feds figured it out, I did not!!!!!!!
Thusly the rule to increase the fuel storage and horsepower requirements for back up power generating at nuclear power plants.

10-4. It sounds like they were planning ahead for E85 (or E100).

[ForgeThe]

My bike is an 01 Fatty. When I bought it had about 3000 miles (couple years ago). The owner never rode it much and just he let it sit in his garage...he also did not drain the fuel. When I drained the fuel it looked like turpintine...luckily after changing all fluids it ran great. After putting 2000 miles on it I swapped the tins. Inside the gas tank the grey coating was pealing (alot--tank started to rust inside after about a week sitting in garage). Wonder if it was the old gas or the fact he would put ethenol gas in it?

[webco2]

Originally Posted by ForgeThe

My bike is an 01 Fatty. When I bought it had about 3000 miles (couple years ago). The owner never rode it much and just he let it sit in his garage...he also did not drain the fuel. When I drained the fuel it looked like turpintine...luckily after changing all fluids it ran great. After putting 2000 miles on it I swapped the tins. Inside the gas tank the grey coating was pealing (alot--tank started to rust inside after about a week sitting in garage). Wonder if it was the old gas or the fact he would put ethenol gas in it?

Ethanol falls out of suspension without constant agitation . Ethanol collects water from the air. Water causes rust. Ethanol is crap for fuel.

[Topgeye]

I recently had the carb on my old motor home rebuilt by an old guy that has been doing it all his life. He took it apart piece by piece while I was there so he could show me what was wrong with it. When he pulled the top off the float bowl he gave me an "uh huh" and told me to look inside the bowl. It was coated with a large amount of a dry tan/gray film and the bottom had a sizable amount that had settled there. When I ask him what it was he lit into ethanol pretty hard. He said when a carb that has been running ethanol laced gas and is not run daily like my MH it does as Webco says. The ethanol falls out of suspension and the solids in it settle in places like the carb, fuel pump and gas lines that may have a bend that hangs down from the engine. He said that over a period of time when that residue gets mixed over and over it acts like sand paper inside the fuel system which can cause rubber fuel lines to deteriorate, electric fuel pumps to freeze up, filters to plug up and cause problems like mine. The rubber plunger on he accelerator pump was coated in this residue and was stuck to the inside of the bowl top cover. It had pulled free from the rod and spring and did not move when the gas pedal moved the rod up and down thus no gas in the carb. He had a vial of the residue that he had collected over the years from a lot of the carbs he has worked on. He tapped some out on his table and I moved my finger around in it and the best I can explain the texture is just a little above corn starch (not a pun) It looked sandy but felt very fine in texture. I for one love having old guys like this around that have seen it all and are willing to help and spread their wealth of knowledge. Which this old boy loved to do. These guys are dropping out fast and probably won't be replaced. He is one of the reasons I started researching our ethanol problem.

[Homesick]

Originally Posted by Topgeye

I recently had the carb on my old motor home rebuilt by an old guy that has been doing it all his life. He took it apart piece by piece while I was there so he could show me what was wrong with it. When he pulled the top off the float bowl he gave me an "uh huh" and told me to look inside the bowl. It was coated with a large amount of a dry tan/gray film and the bottom had a sizable amount that had settled there. When I ask him what it was he lit into ethanol pretty hard. He said when a carb that has been running ethanol laced gas and is not run daily like my MH it does as Webco says. The ethanol falls out of suspension and the solids in it settle in places like the carb, fuel pump and gas lines that may have a bend that hangs down from the engine. He said that over a period of time when that residue gets mixed over and over it acts like sand paper inside the fuel system which can cause rubber fuel lines to deteriorate, electric fuel pumps to freeze up, filters to plug up and cause problems like mine. The rubber plunger on he accelerator pump was coated in this residue and was stuck to the inside of the bowl top cover. It had pulled free from the rod and spring and did not move when the gas pedal moved the rod up and down thus no gas in the carb. He had a vial of the residue that he had collected over the years from a lot of the carbs he has worked on. He tapped some out on his table and I moved my finger around in it and the best I can explain the texture is just a little above corn starch (not a pun) It looked sandy but felt very fine in texture. I for one love having old guys like this around that have seen it all and are willing to help and spread their wealth of knowledge. Which this old boy loved to do. These guys are dropping out fast and probably won't be replaced. He is one of the reasons I started researching our ethanol problem.

A mechanic at the local indy shop showed me a disassembled carb the other day. It wasn't as severe as what you describe, but that crap was in there.

joe

[ForgeThe]

Originally Posted by Topgeye

I recently had the carb on my old motor home rebuilt by an old guy that has been doing it all his life. He took it apart piece by piece while I was there so he could show me what was wrong with it. When he pulled the top off the float bowl he gave me an "uh huh" and told me to look inside the bowl. It was coated with a large amount of a dry tan/gray film and the bottom had a sizable amount that had settled there. When I ask him what it was he lit into ethanol pretty hard. He said when a carb that has been running ethanol laced gas and is not run daily like my MH it does as Webco says. The ethanol falls out of suspension and the solids in it settle in places like the carb, fuel pump and gas lines that may have a bend that hangs down from the engine. He said that over a period of time when that residue gets mixed over and over it acts like sand paper inside the fuel system which can cause rubber fuel lines to deteriorate, electric fuel pumps to freeze up, filters to plug up and cause problems like mine. The rubber plunger on he accelerator pump was coated in this residue and was stuck to the inside of the bowl top cover. It had pulled free from the rod and spring and did not move when the gas pedal moved the rod up and down thus no gas in the carb. He had a vial of the residue that he had collected over the years from a lot of the carbs he has worked on. He tapped some out on his table and I moved my finger around in it and the best I can explain the texture is just a little above corn starch (not a pun) It looked sandy but felt very fine in texture. I for one love having old guys like this around that have seen it all and are willing to help and spread their wealth of knowledge. Which this old boy loved to do. These guys are dropping out fast and probably won't be replaced. He is one of the reasons I started researching our ethanol problem.

That is why I try not to run it in my bike or in my old truck. NonEthenol gas also seems to get better mileage.

[cata5803]

Originally Posted by ForgeThe

That is why I try not to run it in my bike or in my old truck. NonEthenol gas also seems to get better mileage.

I haven't noticed any better mileage with non ethenol fuel.. I check my mileage about eveytime I fuel.. That tells me how it's running...

[berserker]

I had to reset the fuel calculator on my vehicle when I fueled up, otherwise it just keeps averaging over multiple tanks.. Of course I could use a calculator.