SERT, What is it? Get your answers here !!

[springer-]

Originally Posted by FXD35

Springer,

As a new member to this forum, thanks for the post with all of the great information. This was top notch and is exactly the kind of information and education that I, as I'm sure others came to this forum for. Thanks for the excellent post.

A questions that I don't believe have been asked/answered:

As we now know we can't restore our original Map back to the ECM with the SERT, can we get the original factory Map from Harley, or are the only maps available on the SERT CD. Seems as if the dealer can get them for the TECHPC Map Restores, so it would seem appropriate that we should be able to get the map as well (of course for $$$)?

2. Are the 2006 maps for the new Dynas with the closed loop O2 sensers included in the current version of the SERT? How often are the maps on the SERT added too? Do you have to buy a new SERT to get them? I know, this is really 3 questions. Sorry.

Thanks Again,

Ron

The only way that I know of to restore the original MAP is to have the dealer restore it. The question is why would you want to do this? The MAPs are almost infinitely adjustable. The MAPs that come with the SERT are for common combinations of parts. There is no reason you can't take a stock bike with NO mods and tune it with the SERT, thus never needing the stock flash.

I have not used the newest version of the SERT that works with the '06 closed loop system. When a new version comes out you can purchase the CD by itself for around $20. It includes the latest MAP's.

Remember, the MAP's are just a baseline and should be tuned to your actual build to maximize performance and proper running conditions.

[springer-]

Originally Posted by Alphagte

Springer:
Do you or does anyone have any thoughts on the HD Race Fueler or just experience with the Race Tuner?
It is significantly cheaper, I know it doesnt have all the tuning ability as the Tuner, but I am interested in what exactly it does do if you arent planning on installing more than Stage 1 and pipes.
Very nice post by the way. Informative and insightful.

The only thing that programs the ECM to compensate for modifications is the SERT. All the other devices trick the ECM into doing what it wants it to do. Some of the devices are more complex and therefor are more adjustable. The DFO and race fueler type devices essentially take your expensive and highly tunable ECM and turn it into a carb of sort. Giving you adjustments that act similar to changing jets in a carb.

To me, the SERT is the only device I would use but that doesn't mean that it is right for everyone.

[WVRDKING]

Originally Posted by FXD35

Springer,

2. Are the 2006 maps for the new Dynas with the closed loop O2 sensers included in the current version of the SERT? How often are the maps on the SERT added too? Do you have to buy a new SERT to get them? I know, this is really 3 questions. Sorry.

Thanks Again,

Ron

Ron: from the latest version of the SERT Software:

New and Changed Features

4.5.2 New and Changed Features

Tuning mode 4.5.2 adds support for certain 2006 vehicles that were left out of the original v4.5.0 software.


4.5.0 New and Changed Features

Tuning mode 4.5.0 adds support for 2006 vehicles with both open and closed loop calibrations. All calibration files released with version 4.5.0 are type ‘MT6’.

The status bar has an additional panel to indicate if a calibration is Open or Closed loop.

The following Tuning File changes were made with Tuning Mode 4.5.0:

· Closed Loop Bias table added to Closed Loop Calibration files

· 127xxxxx-A1.MT5 files were upgraded to 127xxxxx-B0.MT6

· 105xxxxx-C2.MT5 files were upgraded to 105xxxxx-D0.MT6

Version 4.5.0 is supplied with a new set of ‘MT6’ calibration files which are not compatible with earlier ‘
MT2’ or ‘MT5’ versions of Tuning Mode. These new calibrations are either level 127xxxxx-Bx (for 2005) or level 105xxxxx-Dx (for 2001-2004) and all have the file extension 'MT6'.


NOTE: Old MT2 or MT5 calibration files cannot be used for programming with Tuning Mode version 4.5.0. However, old calibration files may be loaded into Tuning Mode 4.5.0, and the calibration table information copied to the equivalent new files using the Clipboard "Cut and Paste" functions.

Refer to Copying and Pasting Table Data for complete details.

As Springer noted, current SERT owners can purchase the latest Software CD and have the latest files.

HTH's

Ben

[jherford@alphah]

Springer, that is great info on the SERT. Do you know if it can be used on more than one bike? Like if I wanted to tune mine, and then someone elses.

Also, for anyone interested, the dealer MSRP for the SERT is $459. I checked with the local HD folks on that. But if you go to Surdyke HD they have all parts at 20% off if you order through the web. That means only $370 for the SERT.

Thanks again,

John

[The_Snowman]

Originally Posted by jherford@alphah

Springer, that is great info on the SERT. Do you know if it can be used on more than one bike? Like if I wanted to tune mine, and then someone elses.

Also, for anyone interested, the dealer MSRP for the SERT is $459. I checked with the local HD folks on that. But if you go to Surdyke HD they have all parts at 20% off if you order through the web. That means only $370 for the SERT.

Thanks again,

John

John, I'll try to break this to you gently, the quick answer is NO, from Post #1

"WARNING Objects in this post may seem more confusing than they really are.

This post is not to teach you everything you ever wanted to know about a SERT. Instead it is to give you some insight into what a SERT is and what to expect. The SERT version used is 4.12. If you have specific question about the SERT, I would suggest you download the PDF file at the end of the post, it is the SERT manual."

The manuals are in Post #8 ...........

Also, read Post #53 for a more in depth reply .......

As for buying a SERT, they are on EBAY all the time, just search for Race Tuner, expect to pay $340 - $350 although if the demand is low on a particular day you may just get a bargain.

Another place for online purchase is https://www.zanottimotor.com/shopping/partLookUp.html type in 32107-01D and you will see $357, plus you are assured of getting the latest CD, if required for your 2006 models.

Now, a question from me, I have managed to connect to install SERT, connect to the bike, get the ECM infromation BUT when I go to program the ECM, it gets to 30% and freezes

I have tried that twice and had to Cntl-Alt-Del to end the program. Also, I had to disconnect the battery to re-set the ECM.

Anybody have any ideas on this? I will be checking the COM port speed settings today,

Thanks, John

[springer-]

Are you using a serial to USB adapter?

[The_Snowman]

Originally Posted by springer-

Are you using a serial to USB adapter?

Springer,

Yes, I am. I thought there was a Serial port on this laptop, but it turns out it is for an external monitor; it is not even a new laptop, bought it January 30, 2003.

Any suggestions appreciated, thanks, John

[WVRDKING]

Originally Posted by The_Snowman

Springer,

Yes, I am. I thought there was a Serial port on this laptop, but it turns out it is for an external monitor; it is not even a new laptop, bought it January 30, 2003.

Any suggestions appreciated, thanks, John

Snowman: Posted a reply in the General Talk section that might help.

[The_Snowman]

Originally Posted by springer-

Are you using a serial to USB adapter?

I was and now I've picked up another - this one worked; it was the more expensive one, but that is not the reason I didn't try it first.

I tried the first one because it was rated for USB 2.0 - this one is only rated for USB 1.1 and it works ------>

http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=PA088U

Also, I removed the DFO and replaced a burnt out turn signal lamp, either of which may have helped

I uploaded the 105HO103 file and only got in 100 kms ride, but it does run great - no exhaust popping at all. It was not long enough trip to figure out weather or not this will fix my excessive fuel consumption problem - sure hope it does.................

[springer-]

The problem with the USB to Serial adapters comes from the data rates they support. It seems as if the more expensive ones support more data rates, including the one needed to work with the SERT. An alternative solution is using a PCMCIA (PC Card) serial port.

Glad you got it working.

[BigRedOne]

I have an 06 Ultra that I'm picking up tomorrow. Already have purchased S & S Ovals to put on. If I do the air filter, I assume I will need a tuner or something. But the SERT looks very complicated. I am very computer savy but I am not a mechanic. I don't intend to do any other engine mods in the near future. Is there a less complicated way to tune or will I need to remap after these changed?
Thanks

[Mr.Clean]

I used the Revtech DFO as I am in the same boat as you. Easy to tune but you don't get the feedback the SERT will give you.

[skram]

Very helpful info as I am ready to pull the trigger and make the stage 1 update to my RK. You have pushed me closer to making the additional investment in doing it right the first time.

[gh67]

Originally Posted by bikersphd

Great post super info. SERT looks like agreat why to go. Can you tell me what the max rpm it will let you go and will it work with a power commander i no i realy would not need it the only problen is all the shops i call do not know how to tune the SERT and we have a shop that does a great job with the power commander. or is thier another way to raise the rev limit .
THanks!

Hello all, thanks for all the terrific info. I didn't really see a clear answer to "bikersphd's" question. I have a stock ECM flash with PCIII custom dyno tuned map which runs great (hence not wanting to do a stage 1 flash and start over). Can I use the SERT (or any other cheaper devices) to raise my 88B stock rev limiter without affecting my custom map? I realize that the increased rpm range will not have been truly tuned for my bike.
Thanks!

[springer-]

Originally Posted by gh67

Hello all, thanks for all the terrific info. I didn't really see a clear answer to "bikersphd's" question. I have a stock ECM flash with PCIII custom dyno tuned map which runs great (hence not wanting to do a stage 1 flash and start over). Can I use the SERT (or any other cheaper devices) to raise my 88B stock rev limiter without affecting my custom map? I realize that the increased rpm range will not have been truly tuned for my bike.
Thanks!

My understanding is that Power Commander now has an upgrade that will allow the adjustment of the rev limiter. I believe you can either do a firmware update or send it in for updating. I would check there site and see what is involved.


OK so I went there and tracked down the info for you.....

Originally Posted by PC web site

The Rev X-tend feature will allow your Harley Davidson (V-rod excluded) with a stock ECM to rev to 6200rpm. No longer is there a need to have your ECM reflashed by your dealer. Now you will have full control over your fuel curve up to 6200rpm with the PCIII USB.

This feature can be enabled on Power Commander III USB units with part #801-511, 802-511, 805-511, 807-511, 810-511, 811-511. To enable units currently in the field it will require a firmware update. The unit can be sent in to Dynojet for $20.00 and we will enable this feature and send it back to you. You also have the option of purchasing a firmware programmer and the necessary software which will allow you to update an unlimited number of units. This package is part #HDREV and can be purchased for $40.00.

Here is the link http://www.powercommander.com/hdRev.shtml