Stage IV 103....cams?

[AZFXSTB]

Originally Posted by hogghead

In the title you put 110", is that the displacement you mean that will work with those cams? If I ran those 110+ heads with the 4" jugs and 10.5:1 pistons and those cams, it would be a good set up? I just figured that if I'm going to go this far I might as well get the 113 kit with the 11:1 pistons. What would you use in that? Just curious, I can go 110 I just need to figure out what I'm doing fairly quickly because down here in FL, our riding season is really just starting and I don't want to have a lot of down time for my bike. I've read a lot of your comments and I have a great amount of respect for your knowledge. No disrespect to anyone but I've kinda been waiting for an actual builder to chime in. So, 110 at 10.5:1 with those woods cams, or if I decide to go 113 at 11:1 then what and is that even feasible (11:1) for a street motor. Thanks very much

No disrespect taken or given but maybe your screen name should be HARDHEAD... You will get MUCH more info if you pick up the phone and CHIME them in, call Hillside, Call King of Cubes, Call Bean @ BigBoyz call GMR you will get the answer you are looking for. Sometimes its hard for the "Real" builder's to really chime in because of all the toes and sensitive feelings we have here in the open forums..it turns into a Drama fest real quick sometimes..it really is in YOUR best interest to call and then maybe fill everyone in on what YOU choose to do.. JMHO

[hogghead]

Originally Posted by AZFXSTB

No disrespect taken or given but maybe your screen name should be HARDHEAD... You will get MUCH more info if you pick up the phone and CHIME them in, call Hillside, Call King of Cubes, Call Bean @ BigBoyz call GMR you will get the answer you are looking for. Sometimes its hard for the "Real" builder's to really chime in because of all the toes and sensitive feelings we have here in the open forums..it turns into a Drama fest real quick sometimes..it really is in YOUR best interest to call and then maybe fill everyone in on what YOU choose to do.. JMHO

You may be right about that but for me it's ethics. They can choose to answer here or not. I'm not about to call them up and waste their time on with questions on a build that they stand nothing to gain from. No offense but if that's what you would do I think it's rude. I run a business and I don't want someone calling me asking me for info at my business when they don't have any intention of hiring me for their services. That's selfish and inconsiderate. The people you mentioned in your post aren't located near me so I'm not really going to provide them with any business as I'm not crating my stuff up and shipping it. If what I need can't be done locally then it doesn't need done. I was simply looking to hear from anyone that has the knowledge to help that is willing to share, that's all. Nevertheless I will make the results known here.

[AZFXSTB]

Originally Posted by hogghead

You may be right about that but for me it's ethics. They can choose to answer here or not. I'm not about to call them up and waste their time on with questions on a build that they stand nothing to gain from. No offense but if that's what you would do I think it's rude. I run a business and I don't want someone calling me asking me for info at my business when they don't have any intention of hiring me for their services. That's selfish and inconsiderate. The people you mentioned in your post aren't located near me so I'm not really going to provide them with any business as I'm not crating my stuff up and shipping it. If what I need can't be done locally then it doesn't need done. I was simply looking to hear from anyone that has the knowledge to help that is willing to share, that's all. Nevertheless I will make the results known here.

My mistake I thought you were looking for another cam for your "Kit" at least thats what I was reading....those shops all sell cams...but hay if your dead set on the square peg in the round hole best of luck...hmm "if it can't be done locally then it doesn't need done" makes for a small world doesn't it?...

Good luck


I call a few shops and true as it may be that I may not get it from them that time, I do refer people when I'm asked and that works as well

[hogghead]

Originally Posted by AZFXSTB

My mistake I thought you were looking for another cam for your "Kit" at least thats what I was reading....those shops all sell cams...but hay if your dead set on the square peg in the round hole best of luck...hmm "if it can't be done locally then it doesn't need done" makes for a small world doesn't it?...

Good luck


I call a few shops and true as it may be that I may not get it from them that time, I do refer people when I'm asked and that works as well

Small world? Maybe. Like I stated already, I've done the mountain motor thing already. Have a softail with a 131" that makes a solid 155 ft/lbs at the rear tire. It's simply not what I'm trying to accomplish. The economy isn't what is has been and this came to me on a whim so it was either keep the new 09' with the basic 96" or see if I couldn't get a little something done with this deal. If I had my druthers I'd get some Axtell's, have a timken done, true/weld the crank, and a professional head porting job done. I'm just not about to drop a min of 8K to 9K on this. I'm aware that the set-up in this kit is not ideal, just wanted to salvage what I've got and get something close to what I would really want given the choice. Going bigger in terms of cubes would be an easy fix all else staying the same but now I'm into splitting and boring the cases and since I'm doing that I'd do a timken conversion. Now we're adding well over $1000 with labor and parts to something that I was hoping to salvage with some camshaft magic. If someone out there that sells cams has a solid recommendation, hey, they'd have my business but it seems from the responses so far that a cam just can't get it done. Oh well, maybe I'll have to be a high winding guy for a little while Good feedback, I do appreciate it.

[AZFXSTB]

Originally Posted by hogghead

Small world? Maybe. Like I stated already, I've done the mountain motor thing already. Have a softail with a 131" that makes a solid 155 ft/lbs at the rear tire. It's simply not what I'm trying to accomplish. The economy isn't what is has been and this came to me on a whim so it was either keep the new 09' with the basic 96" or see if I couldn't get a little something done with this deal. If I had my druthers I'd get some Axtell's, have a timken done, true/weld the crank, and a professional head porting job done. I'm just not about to drop a min of 8K to 9K on this. I'm aware that the set-up in this kit is not ideal, just wanted to salvage what I've got and get something close to what I would really want given the choice. Going bigger in terms of cubes would be an easy fix all else staying the same but now I'm into splitting and boring the cases and since I'm doing that I'd do a timken conversion. Now we're adding well over $1000 with labor and parts to something that I was hoping to salvage with some camshaft magic. If someone out there that sells cams has a solid recommendation, hey, they'd have my business but it seems from the responses so far that a cam just can't get it done. Oh well, maybe I'll have to be a high winding guy for a little while Good feedback, I do appreciate it.

What I think is being missed is for what you could get for the heads and other stuff you have (That you paid nothing for you said) you could send out your 09 Heads to say...BigBoyz for a good street port (about $500 with all the bells and whistles)have them CCed and set the 96 for say a Andrews 37/54 ($220) maybe a TW6 (alot more@$400) and have cash in your pocket with a nice solid 90/95 build with your own labor...4-6 hours. Now your ahead of the game your not High winding but you'll have a scoot with balls were you are asking for and good reliability to boot. Those heads alone you have would cover that off Ebay.

[happyman]

seems a couple times have heard the andrews 67 and the SE 257 are the same cam?? never did look, so i can't be sure.

Originally Posted by Fixuntilbroke

Andrews 67g will make good power down low i have tman 625 chains that might work too

[skyhook]

if you look at published specs, they're very close...andrews 67 is available only in gear drive, I think...be aware, these are hotrod cams, with fair to partly cloudy low speed manners

[pwmorris]

44 Magnum might wake it up-
Are you happy with the job Wes did on your 131"? What cam did he say to run with this stuff?

[hogghead]

Originally Posted by pwmorris

44 Magnum might wake it up-
Are you happy with the job Wes did on your 131"? What cam did he say to run with this stuff?

Wes didn't have any real comment about the cam other than that he had a custom grind that might work. I hastened to bring it up to any great degree with Wes because I'm not using him for this build. Not that I don't like his work, no not at all. I just don't want to deal with my bike being down for that length of time. He's just too backed up. Just spoke with him about it earlier today and he was contacting his "inside" HD contact about the whole kit by email as we were talking. As for the 131", I'm currently experiencing an issue with it and he has the bike right now. I'm not going to get into it as I don't want to say anything that might make people think poorly of him. He's addressing the issue and that's all I really care about. These builds are tricky and things happen. Beyond that that S.O.B. of a softail is a monster. No clutch tricks needed I can stand her up like a gixxer!!!! Wouldn't believe it myself if I hadn't done it but for sure the front end of that FXSTC will stand up on command. It's cool!!! Surprised a few sport bikes with it too. Not kicking their asses or anything but at 120 their thinking...."what the hell is HE still doing here".....LOL. Can't beat em' (in a full tilt run to top end) but they can't dust me either.

[ceraaa42]

Originally Posted by arealinvestor

You want to wake that package up huh???? Think Woods ,Think Woods!!! Hey did I mention think Woods Performance!!!!! Call Bob tell him what you have & he will tell you what he has for you!!!! What year is the bike? You want chain drive,or gear drive?That new 408 might just be the cam for you!!!!!!!!!

Here's your answer. They do have something to gain from talkiing to you as you might buy thier cams. Unless you're just putting out questions for fun. If you called, you could then report back on their recommendations for us all to learn.

Chris

[07roadking60]

Did anyone look at the Dyno chart for this kit in the Screamin Eagle catalog? The setup HD did produced 105 foot pounds of torque at 4500 RPM that dropped off slightly on its way to 5500 rpm. At 6000RPM it was still producing 98 foot pounds with HP peaking around 110 HP. That sounds like pretty good numbers to me for a kit that costs $2,400 and bolts on with no other mods necessary.

Were talking about a 103" inch engine here, not a 110 or 113. I have been seriously comtemplating doing this build on my 2007 Road King this winter and I feel like someone just pissed in my Wheaties.

[AZFXSTB]

Originally Posted by 07roadking60

Did anyone look at the Dyno chart for this kit in the Screamin Eagle catalog? The setup HD did produced 105 foot pounds of torque at 4500 RPM that dropped off slightly on its way to 5500 rpm. At 6000RPM it was still producing 98 foot pounds with HP peaking around 110 HP. That sounds like pretty good numbers to me for a kit that costs $2,400 and bolts on with no other mods necessary.

Were talking about a 103" inch engine here, not a 110 or 113. I have been seriously comtemplating doing this build on my 2007 Road King this winter and I feel like someone just pissed in my Wheaties.

Ha, everyone has their own taste but for that same 2400 bucks I think a true builder package is a better deal...sides those numbers are at the crank are they not?

[Seahag]

Originally Posted by skyhook

if you look at published specs, they're very close...andrews 67 is available only in gear drive, I think...be aware, these are hotrod cams, with fair to partly cloudy low speed manners

I put a set of these [67G] in my friends 95" HTCC CNC ported build a couple months ago. I believe those heads have similarly large valves. That cam runs very nicely with his set up and has much better than fair low speed manners. It was funny to see the look on his face when he finally learned how to ride it. I asked him how he liked the power and he said "it's ok"...so I asked him what the highest rpm he'd shifted at since the new cams were added. He said about 3000rpm. I just laughed and said take that thing back out and nail it in second and third gear without shifting before 5000 rpm...then come back and tell me what you think of the power. On my test ride after the cam job, I'd broken the back tire loose in 3rd. He didn't have to say anything...the look on his face was priceless; but he said "holy sh!t" all the same.

[arealinvestor]

Go with the 113ci with the 11:1 comp.I said it before,Call Mr Woods tell him what you have,and what your looking to get!!!! he will tell you what he has!!!! Like Scott & I already mentioned the 408 magnum might be your tire shredder!!!!!!!

[07roadking60]

AZFXSTB:

The book says measured at the rear wheel with a Dynojet. The exhaust would be the critical factor, you would have to use a 2 into 1 to get those numbers.

I don't like 2 into 1 on a bagger, does anyone know what the power/torque loss would be in relative terms if true duals were used?