Tuned Bike????????????

[Hillsidecycle.com]

Originally Posted by ceraaa42

Ok, so this high hp animal you've built and Joe's has tuned on a dyno that reads the same comming in as the previous one should read out the same on a test run after the tune, right?

I'd say a test upon return would answer, or at least shut a few people up if it tests the same don't cha think?

Chris

Chris,
It is not the high of a an hp build for a 117".
The torque, however, hits like turning on a light switch, and continues to flat line out. That's what that known build does, especially with the D&D pipe, now.
3 tenths of a point shy, on blue-sky compression also, for him.
I will have final reports today on this.
Scott

[claydbal]

frosted figs?????? i aint touchin that one

[hrdtail78]

Originally Posted by Hillsidecycle.com

As it is, the client, out of pocket, shipped it from coast to coast.(he should pay for more drum time?) I believe he already dumped 5 c-notes on the "tune".
Point being made is that the almost EXACT numbers coming in.
Canned map, no timing touched, completed in (3 warm-up pulls,or at least thats how we were taught) 12 remaining pulls, and the last 3 being performed in less than a 3 minute period, encroaching on close of business hours. So 9 pulls tunes a 117", unknown combination???
As I have said in another post, I cannot trim up the timing, on a carb bike, in 9 pulls.
Being a custom engine build, would not the due respect of a custom map, be quite appropriate? I certainly think so, instead of treating the build as some bag of $hit?? That really, really, frosts my figs, right there, as it would anyone, that cares about what they do for the client.

The frost on your figs are understandable in the case you descibe. I understand the client probably just wants his bike and ride it now. I sure would. Drum time would be shorter since it is for validating numbers and not a tune. The guy might do it on the cuff just for a chance to discredit Joe. One things for sure. If he does do it, and can't produce the numbers you will hear about it. If he does produce numbers, you probably wont.

[Hillsidecycle.com]

Originally Posted by hrdtail78

The frost on your figs are understandable in the case you descibe. I understand the client probably just wants his bike and ride it now. I sure would. Drum time would be shorter since it is for validating numbers and not a tune. The guy might do it on the cuff just for a chance to discredit Joe. One things for sure. If he does do it, and can't produce the numbers you will hear about it. If he does produce numbers, you probably wont.

Could not agree with you more, as this is always the case.
Just gets under my skin, but good.

[ceraaa42]

Originally Posted by Hillsidecycle.com

Chris,
It is not the high of a an hp build for a 117".
The torque, however, hits like turning on a light switch, and continues to flat line out. That's what that known build does, especially with the D&D pipe, now.
3 tenths of a point shy, on blue-sky compression also, for him.
I will have final reports today on this.
Scott

Hi Scott,

What I meant was a nicely built engine, not stating anything about hp/tq differences.

I suspect the dyno tune was at the same place mine was done at, as was Adlerx's. Now I'm going to print out my tables and compare them to the canned maps.

You would think since he's spent all this money that spending another $50 or so for a comparison run wouldn't hurt that bad. Since this is in my hometown I'd kick in a bit as I'm sure others might to help put all this to rest and not cost the bike owner a dime. A great opertunity.

Chris

[nw_guy4_fun]

I suggest that anyone getting a tune ask and get the Dynojet run file and the PC or SERT data file. Many reasons for this.

[Hillsidecycle.com]

Originally Posted by nw_guy4_fun

I suggest that anyone getting a tune ask and get the Dynojet run file and the PC or SERT data file. Many reasons for this.

The H-D dealer in Syracuse, N.Y., will not send that with their "tuned" bikes, unless their customer causes a big stink.

[ceraaa42]

Originally Posted by Hillsidecycle.com

The H-D dealer in Syracuse, N.Y., will not send that with their "tuned" bikes, unless their customer causes a big stink.

A good reason to ask if you get it BEFORE the tune. If they say yes, then make sure to write on the ticket before you sign "Map to be provided at the completion of the tune", then sign.

Chris

[tdd3748]

Well I am still in Italy - hoping to get on an airplane for home within the next couple weeks. If all goes well the bike will be shipping from Hillside next Wed. The original plan was to fly from Italy to NY, meet Scoot an tour his shop and ride the bike back to Seattle - but with new airplane programs it seems wo0rk is always getting in the way.

The plan when I get home is to run the bike to an indy I deal with that has a dyno and get printouts there as well as what is sent from Joe. The I will be calling the original tuner to have them put it on their dyno and print the numbers.

I saw in an earlier post that someone belived the tune was not completed by the person who started it - I can assure you since I stayed at the shop the entire time it was indeed started and completed by him.

The intent is to post all the sheets once I have them in hand.

BTW - I will personally never be shipping anything via UPS (F**K them) and I think they might have already lost some (a F**KIN Lot) of business from a certain airplane company as well - seems there are many folks that ride bikes in a few of the areas that ship parts all over the world.

[merc1100sc]

Originally Posted by Hillsidecycle.com

The H-D dealer in Syracuse, N.Y., will not send that with their "tuned" bikes, unless their customer causes a big stink.

Not true. Tony there just tuned my buds 124 and it came w/ a copy of the final sert map. he didnt have to ask for it.

anyhow, numbers schmumbers. dyno's are tuning aids.
everywhere you go some schmo is bragging what numbers his bike made on the dyno..... right before he comes up w/ 5 excuses why he wont take it to the road and lay it down.

I have no stake in Joe or any other tuner on this site. My unbiased observation from what i've seen and ridden first hand is that he definately knows his way around a power commander. SAE, STD, TGIF, WTF.......etc......... call his numbers what you will, he knows how to tune a bike. If i were running a PC on my bike, thats where i'd go.

[Hillsidecycle.com]

Originally Posted by merc1100sc

Not true. Tony there just tuned my buds 124 and it came w/ a copy of the final sert map. he didnt have to ask for it.

anyhow, numbers schmumbers. dyno's are tuning aids.
everywhere you go some schmo is bragging what numbers his bike made on the dyno..... right before he comes up w/ 5 excuses why he wont take it to the road and lay it down.

I have no stake in Joe or any other tuner on this site. My unbiased observation from what i've seen and ridden first hand is that he definately knows his way around a power commander. SAE, STD, TGIF, WTF.......etc......... call his numbers what you will, he knows how to tune a bike. If i were running a PC on my bike, thats where i'd go.

You tell 'em............
Scott

[merc1100sc]

.....maybe i got a little excited, but, man, this discussion is never ending.... just telling it the way i see it.

[adlerx]

Not sure how I got pulled into this. Things I do know, my bike was "tuned" by, ok, lets go ahead and say the name, I'll never darken their door again. I have been screwed by him 4 times on two different tunes that rendered the bikes almost unrideable, Mike Stegman at Latus HD in Portland Oregon. Totally over rated, doesn't seen to care about getting tune right on any bike he doesn't build. Look in Latus' dyno library, you'll see bikes they built have 50 to 100 pulls to tune, builds done by "customer" or elswhere, NEVER OVER 30 pulls. My last tune by him was a piece of crap, I knew as soon as I looked at the sheet and saw that it had been "completed" in 22 pulls in less than 2 hours, this including disc tuning on a supertrapp supermeg pipe,could never happen! The bike ran poorly, super rich, less than 25MPG, black smoke pouring out, wouldn't idle at all in any conditions. And yes, a comparison of the tables reveals that the AFR tables had been changed and virtually all other tables were still identicle to the canned base map. After a month of complaining, Latus had me bring my bike in to retune. What a debacle! mike had it on the dyno for two hours, made a complete new custom map ond Oh By The Way, he does no dyno pulls and informs me that he actually never even put the sniffer in the pipe(this is what he said). Now I don't know what this magic methodology that they are so damn protective of is but if it will build a complete custom map for a built motor with no dyno pulls and not even an AFR check, no wonder they are so protective. That is truly some MAGIC!
I didn't even make it the 70 miles home without fuel fouling the plugs. As soon as I got home, put in my original break in map in it. When I called to complain, Fred King the service manager got really pissed and said I was reading the internet and that my tune was right to which I replied. Doesn't matter what I read or where I read it, the internet isn't making my bike get 20 MPG and pour out black smoke so badly that the whole rear of the bike is covered in heavy black soot and I smell like I have been mowing the lawn all day with a bad lawnmower.. When I told him that Mike had done the second map/tune without doing any dyno pulls and without sticking the sniffer up the pipe, he said that simply wasn't true and when he offered me a refund I said "send the check!". About an hour later my phone rings and he has a whole new attitude. Sugar wouldn't melt in his mouth! Not only is he gonna give me a full refund, he's gonna send the truck pick up my bike, make sure it's tuned perfectly and bring it home.
Anyhow, I took him up on the offer...


The refund of course, I'd never consider letting those idiots touch my bike again!!

Anyhow, I spent a day between data runs and some dyno time on my friends DJ 250i I got a tune that runs decent, gets 37 mpg. The bike runs decent, is smooth, no bad flat spots, and idles perfectly but is by no means tuned.
I go to Nor Cal occasionally, will try to get it to RC Cycles for a real tune some day but for now it will do.
I tried to lay low on all this and keep it mostly to myself. Since it all cam up again, I thought it was time I tell my story.

OBTW, I never really expected to see the check but low and behold, about a month later, there was that sweet $485 "letter from home" as I call a check in the mail!

[hardluk1]

Does anyone here thing that injection is not worth the time and money need to make a motor run right.
Hillside, how long should it have taken to get that motor right in your shop. And why not give a blueprint on what the dyno shop is look'n for so he some perimeters to work with . 60 plus runs?? that ain't a street motor and 117" 124hp ain't a race motor. So what the heck if air /fuel is some where between 13.2 and 13.8 on a run and the curves are smooth and it makes with in 5% of what it should is it worth another 45 + runs. I will stay with a carb . 60 runs on a motor ,that motors screw'd. Should not have to happen.A change of exhaust to something you have not seen will cost what ,,another grand. I guess the guy that did my last motor is dirt cheap by these standards.

[wfolarry]

A lot of people think that every pull on the dyno is at WOT & the life of the motor is reduced . If you seen a real tuner tune your bike you would understand why it takes more than a couple pulls to get it right. I ride my bike a lot harder than the dyno & it's still holding together. I must be lucky.