Tuned Bike????????????

[Hillsidecycle.com]

Originally Posted by Totenkopf

7H is the one.... but you knew which one I was talking about.

So, what are your typical results in your experience for the 7H combination I described above with your heads in a 103"? I'm not baiting you, I just want to know for a comparison I'm doing. Thanks.

re: tuning
tuning is fine in those conditions as long as the reported results include the correction for the cold air intake. Same goes for when you tune and the dyno bay is at 103*F, in this case, that is how you compensate for low numbers when tuned.

All the best!

I would never suspect that you would be baiting anyone.
That would not be very nice, now would it?

[thundercatken]

At the risk of sounding "Pedestrian" ... who the hell really cares whether it is SAE, STD, 4th/5th gear, etc, etc, etc? As long as the AF is spot on thru out the tune, and it runs good, then the bike is in perfect tune. The numbers won't be the same on any two dyno's anyhow.

I'm sure there are "Happy" dyno's out there, but if the tuner knows what he's doing, it doesn't matter which one he uses. The bike is still gonna run great. AND, those who use those "Happy" dyno's to try to boost their image, are gonna loose customers when they find out the truth.

If you guy's want to contribute to a fund, I'll bring my bike to Joe's, then as many other tuners I can, until the money runs out ... we'll see what every dyno in the Northeast says and post the results ... would that end this "Sillyness"?

[Hillsidecycle.com]

Originally Posted by thundercatken

At the risk of sounding "Pedestrian" ... who the hell really cares whether it is SAE, STD, 4th/5th gear, etc, etc, etc? As long as the AF is spot on thru out the tune, and it runs good, then the bike is in perfect tune. The numbers won't be the same on any two dyno's anyhow.

I'm sure there are "Happy" dyno's out there, but if the tuner knows what he's doing, it doesn't matter which one he uses. The bike is still gonna run great. AND, those who use those "Happy" dyno's to try to boost their image, are gonna loose customers when they find out the truth.

If you guy's want to contribute to a fund, I'll bring my bike to Joe's, then as many other tuners I can, until the money runs out ... we'll see what every dyno in the Northeast says and post the results ... would that end this "Sillyness"?

Ken,
This will be a point of argument, always.
But as the FACTS stand, he did have the same hp/torque numbers as the other outfit did on the intial.
No longer.

[hdryder]

Originally Posted by thundercatken

At the risk of sounding "Pedestrian" ... who the hell really cares whether it is SAE, STD, 4th/5th gear, etc, etc, etc? As long as the AF is spot on thru out the tune, and it runs good, then the bike is in perfect tune. The numbers won't be the same on any two dyno's anyhow.

I'm sure there are "Happy" dyno's out there, but if the tuner knows what he's doing, it doesn't matter which one he uses. The bike is still gonna run great. AND, those who use those "Happy" dyno's to try to boost their image, are gonna loose customers when they find out the truth.

If you guy's want to contribute to a fund, I'll bring my bike to Joe's, then as many other tuners I can, until the money runs out ... we'll see what every dyno in the Northeast says and post the results ... would that end this "Sillyness"?

I could give two ****$ what correction factor people use, or what the numbers end up being. This is not pointed at anybody directly, but when you use numbers to advertise a package you have to be willing to disclose all of the info behind those numbers (weather stack readings, correction factor, 4th gear/ 5th gear, etc)

[ceraaa42]

Ok, so this high hp animal you've built and Joe's has tuned on a dyno that reads the same comming in as the previous one should read out the same on a test run after the tune, right?

I'd say a test upon return would answer, or at least shut a few people up if it tests the same don't cha think?

Chris

[claydbal]

Originally Posted by thundercatken

At the risk of sounding "Pedestrian" ... who the hell really cares whether it is SAE, STD, 4th/5th gear, etc, etc, etc? As long as the AF is spot on thru out the tune, and it runs good, then the bike is in perfect tune. The numbers won't be the same on any two dyno's anyhow.

I'm sure there are "Happy" dyno's out there, but if the tuner knows what he's doing, it doesn't matter which one he uses. The bike is still gonna run great. AND, those who use those "Happy" dyno's to try to boost their image, are gonna loose customers when they find out the truth.

If you guy's want to contribute to a fund, I'll bring my bike to Joe's, then as many other tuners I can, until the money runs out ... we'll see what every dyno in the Northeast says and post the results ... would that end this "Sillyness"?

could you include me? if you have enough donations, i only get $8000 for comparison runs.

[claydbal]

Originally Posted by YankeeBob

somehow, your **** doesnt stink quote always works???????????

[SEDELUXE]

those # are right in line of what a 117 with that combo should be at.
wasnt there a gmr 117 with higher # then this posted a short time ago.
i think the combo was stg 5 r&r heads.axtell cylinders and r&r615/585 cam. and i beleive the # were higher then these.
there are always going to be happy dynos and not so happy.
were all missing the point here the original point was the tuner did not get all out of the build like they said they did.
now lets not throw him under the bus there are probley reasons beyond their control why it was not so. imo i dont think he tuned it i beleive some one else did i think he might of started the tune and left it for a tech to finish up as the guy does have a lot going on and he is busy .
as long as its done now that is all that matters.
sae std uncorrected does it matter no not really but if you want to compare things there has to be some common ground and it has to start some where.

[PR3VS56]

Originally Posted by ceraaa42

Ok, so this high hp animal you've built and Joe's has tuned on a dyno that reads the same comming in as the previous one should read out the same on a test run after the tune, right?

I'd say a test upon return would answer, or at least shut a few people up if it tests the same don't cha think?

Chris

Exactly.

Should be done.

[claydbal]

Originally Posted by SEDELUXE

those # are right in line of what a 117 with that combo should be at.
wasnt there a gmr 117 with higher # then this posted a short time ago.
i think the combo was stg 5 r&r heads.axtell cylinders and r&r615/585 cam. and i beleive the # were higher then these.
there are always going to be happy dynos and not so happy.
were all missing the point here the original point was the tuner did not get all out of the build like they said they did.
now lets not throw him under the bus there are probley reasons beyond their control why it was not so. imo i dont think he tuned it i beleive some one else did i think he might of started the tune and left it for a tech to finish up as the guy does have a lot going on and he is busy .
as long as its done now that is all that matters.
sae std uncorrected does it matter no not really but if you want to compare things there has to be some common ground and it has to start some where.

its within the 1.15-1.2 threshold we believe in for absolute street performance. anything higher would raise the BS flag. credible? yep. probable? maybe. dude in washington drop he ball? possibly. wouldnt be the first time tho. as we know first hand---------someone gets a few happy customers and arrogance rules over truth.


not talkin bout you scott, or tote/

[hrdtail78]

Originally Posted by ceraaa42

Ok, so this high hp animal you've built and Joe's has tuned on a dyno that reads the same comming in as the previous one should read out the same on a test run after the tune, right?

I'd say a test upon return would answer, or at least shut a few people up if it tests the same don't cha think?

Chris

That would do it.

[PR3VS56]

Originally Posted by hrdtail78

That would do it.

Let's have it happen and lay this to bed once and for all.

Side bets anyone?

[thundercatken]

Originally Posted by Hillsidecycle.com

Ken,
This will be a point of argument, always.
But as the FACTS stand, he did have the same hp/torque numbers as the other outfit did on the intial.
No longer.

Then do the "After" on the original dyno also (As suggested) ... The post all 4 sheets... before and after on both Dyno's. Then there will be no way to dispute the numbers.

[Hillsidecycle.com]

Originally Posted by hrdtail78

Wow, got to pound your own chest and rip on a tuner (who we can all figure out who) all in the same post. All with out any shred of evidence.

Seems to me you know your way around an engine. I like reading your tech post. Dont like the tactics you use for advertising. I would let your work speak for itself through others.

No chest pounding in regards, as our work DOES speak for itself. Just alerting to a wrong that became righted, as well as going out of our way to correct the UPS damage. That simple.

[Hillsidecycle.com]

Originally Posted by PR3VS56

Exactly.

Should be done.

As it is, the client, out of pocket, shipped it from coast to coast.(he should pay for more drum time?) I believe he already dumped 5 c-notes on the "tune".
Point being made is that the almost EXACT numbers coming in.
Canned map, no timing touched, completed in (3 warm-up pulls,or at least thats how we were taught) 12 remaining pulls, and the last 3 being performed in less than a 3 minute period, encroaching on close of business hours. So 9 pulls tunes a 117", unknown combination???
As I have said in another post, I cannot trim up the timing, on a carb bike, in 9 pulls.
Being a custom engine build, would not the due respect of a custom map, be quite appropriate? I certainly think so, instead of treating the build as some bag of $hit?? That really, really, frosts my figs, right there, as it would anyone, that cares about what they do for the client.