ScreaminEagle - No Oil Pressure...HELP-HELP-HELP...!?!?! : V-Twin Forum: Harley Davidson Forums

Larry5150 · 05-09-2008, 09:49 PM

Hi Folks...
i put the (NEW for 2007) SE BILLET CAMPLATE w/UPDATED OILPUMP kit in my 99 dyna twincam today. Part number 25283-07 (has andrews geardrive cams) I cant seem to get any oil pressure for some weird reason... oil light on, lifters rattling badly tells me no oil pressure building up at all. I soked the oilpump with oil before just before installing the camplate... i`ve done several twincam builds but have never had a oil pressure issue in the past, doing it this way. I`ve ALWAYS gotten instant oil pressure before on other builds. Is ther something i missed along the way with these new se billet oilpump kits being that they are new and/or different for some reason...?

Can i pump some oil into the port where the oil pressure switch is, to hopefully prime the oil pump again...???..., will this get oil into the pump doing it this way...??? Or will it only go to the oil filter(???) I`m not quite sure if the oil relief plunger will let oil go into the pump either, by tryin to pump some oil into the oil pressure switch hole in the front of the engine case.

Anyhow, i would surely be greatful if any of ya guyz have any ideas i could try.

Thanks guyz (larry)

cts1950 · 05-09-2008, 10:42 PM

are there any missing construction plugs in the cam plate. I had one missing on my delkron plate and fille the crank case with oil till it sucked the tank dry. You could take the pipe and side cover off with the spark plugs out and spin the motor with a catch pan under the moter and see if you have a gyser in side. Possably the oring fell out on the pump intake port.

Larry5150 · 05-09-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cts1950

are there any missing construction plugs in the cam plate. I had one missing on my delkron plate and fille the crank case with oil till it sucked the tank dry. You could take the pipe and side cover off with the spark plugs out and spin the motor with a catch pan under the moter and see if you have a gyser in side. Possably the oring fell out on the pump intake port.

Hi cst1950... thanks much for jumpin in here
No plugs are missing, No o-rings are missing either.
I took the o/p switch out, absolutely no oil comin out at all.
Yes, i also took the cam cover off, still nothing in the bottom.
(i know you always have quite a bit of oil in there when cover comes off)
The oil level is just under the "FULL" mark too, so i know it has enough oil in it.

I also took the pump out again to make sure it was put together right.
The bike was perfectly fine before this new billet plate/pump was installed today.

Whatta you think about popping the camchest cover off and try filling the camplate up
with oil thru one of the top plugs to try to maybe re-prime it again...???
Its the only thing i haven`t tried yet. Just cant figure this out...
never had this happen in past T/C builds.

Thanks again
(larry)

cts1950 · 05-10-2008, 12:27 AM

I have a 1999 A type motor with the oil pan under the tranny. Yours being a dana is the oil in the same location. I noticed that the later motors have additional o rings between the block and cam plate. where the earley motor did not. just to make sure I got oil I put a light coating of rtv between the cam plate and block where the non ringed passages were. I had a issue with the pressure regulator on my plate it was stuck open. I did get oil pressure but not much, most of the oil was recirculating inside the pump. You might try raising the rear tire of the ground with the spark plugs out and pumping oil into the oil pressure switch port and turn the rear wheel backwards in 5th gear to rotate the engine backwards to suck oil back into the pump to prime it.

boriqua_biker · 05-10-2008, 06:14 AM

there is a hole in the cam plate that needs to be plugged for it to work on the 99 crankcase. cam support kit number 94667-00 will fix this. the 99 crankcase do not include a oil passage that was added to later engines. see attached instructions!

Larry5150 · 05-10-2008, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by boriqua_biker

there is a hole in the cam plate that needs to be plugged for it to work on the 99 crankcase. cam support kit number 94667-00 will fix this. the 99 crankcase do not include a oil passage that was added to later engines. see attached instructions!

Hello boriqua biker...
how and where did you find this information....??? I looked at the assembly sheet a million times with this billet/oilpump kit, as well as in the parts accessories book to make sure i had the right kit for my 99 dyna, and NEVER a mention of this "support kit" at all, to use it inside the 99 twincam motors.

Well that figures..... just another reason for me to never buy another harley davidson bike ever again. Man i swear i`ve never seen so friggin many issues with harleys since i`ve owned them. Stands to good reason why i owned/rode yamaha`s for so many years.... maybe its time to get rid of the harleys, and buy yamaha`s again.

I better quit bitchin` cause its only pissin me off more just thinkin about it.
A big HUGE thanks for that info you passed onto me budd, i really greatly appreciate it ALOT...! I`ll go to the fuggin "stealer" and see if they have one of these support kits you`re talkin about. Guess i`ll walk in their door backwards with my pants already down for them, so they can stick it up my azz again. I`ll surprise them this time..., i`ll put the lube on before i walk inside, to buy more of their overpriced shitt.

I`ll be sure to let ya guyz know how i make out.
If this is the fix, you can bet your azz`s that the HD motor company is going to get a letter sent to them over this bullshitt.

Be back soon.... and thanks much again

(larry)

cts1950 · 05-10-2008, 10:09 AM

That is the same hole that was open in my delkron cam plate I assumed it was a open construction plug. I did not have the instructions with it. So I wonder when the added oil hole was added. I have speculated that it might go to a spray nozzle to lube the inner chain and tightener. from looking at the date on that bulletin that Larry"s and my 1999 engines were early 99s and the change was 07/99 that is about the time that the outer cam bearings were changed. If you look at the numbers these Harley motors are few in numbers and especially with a mid year change.

1711tab · 05-10-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry5150

Hello boriqua biker...
how and where did you find this information....??? I looked at the assembly sheet a million times with this billet/oilpump kit, as well as in the parts accessories book to make sure i had the right kit for my 99 dyna, and NEVER a mention of this "support kit" at all, to use it inside the 99 twincam motors.

Well that figures..... just another reason for me to never buy another harley davidson bike ever again. Man i swear i`ve never seen so friggin many issues with harleys since i`ve owned them. Stands to good reason why i owned/rode yamaha`s for so many years.... maybe its time to get rid of the harleys, and buy yamaha`s again.

I better quit bitchin` cause its only pissin me off more just thinkin about it.
A big HUGE thanks for that info you passed onto me budd, i really greatly appreciate it ALOT...! I`ll go to the fuggin "stealer" and see if they have one of these support kits you`re talkin about. Guess i`ll walk in their door backwards with my pants already down for them, so they can stick it up my azz again. I`ll surprise them this time..., i`ll put the lube on before i walk inside, to buy more of their overpriced shitt.

I`ll be sure to let ya guyz know how i make out.
If this is the fix, you can bet your azz`s that the HD motor company is going to get a letter sent to them over this bullshitt.

Be back soon.... and thanks much again

(larry)

Larry take DEEP BREATHS everything will be ok. HD has and always will stand for Hundreds of Dollars. It's like anything else it costs money to look good.

I'm sure you'll have it fixed soon...

boriqua_biker · 05-10-2008, 11:57 AM

the oil passage was added to lubricate balancers on softail engines. I found out the same way you did! hope this solve your issues!

Boriqua

cts1950 · 05-10-2008, 12:15 PM

That makes sense that the passage was added for the B engine do the 2000 and later A engines have the additional boss in the casting to cover that hole in the cam plate? If so there would be three different twin cam cases. The original TC the TC A and the TC B . In my 02 service manual it shows exploded diagrams of both styles of cases with the added boss and with out.

boriqua_biker · 05-10-2008, 12:51 PM

If you look at the TC A crankases the boss contains a blind hole with a counterbore for the required o-ring to seal the plate passage. in the TC B cases the hole is an oil passage used for lubrication.

cts1950 · 05-10-2008, 02:50 PM

What I find interesting on my 99 motor dose not have the boss and o ring counter bore. So what I am saying what I thought my motor to be a A type motor IE a non balance shaft motor is in fact a pre revision A case as with Larry's. So the twin cam cases fall in several revisions the original 99 castings the 99 A revision castings the 99 B revision (balance shaft) I an not sure about 04 when they went away from the tapered rollers and 07 96 cid family of cases.

Dyna_Willie · 05-10-2008, 03:00 PM

I too have a 1999 Dyna, how can I tell if I have an original TC, TC A, or TC B?

cts1950 · 05-10-2008, 03:29 PM

I am sure that some one knows at what s/n of the case where the change begins. That thumb nail picture posted by boriqua_biker plainly shows the differences.

Larry5150 · 05-10-2008, 05:27 PM

Geez, if i only knew all of this before i tore it apart.., i could`ve been ridin this weekend.
THANKYOU for ANOTHER screwup HARLEYDAVIDSON...! (just never ends with them)
Now i have to do this job ALL over again because of HD`s ignorance...!!!

Anyhow, i took a deep breath, (as recommended by 1711tab member) i went to 5 different dealers, not a one of the 5 dealers has this kit.... has to be ordered ($7.00 for the kit) As always, i was treated like shitt at ALL the dealers except 1 new dealer far away from me...! (need more deep breathe`s again.... somebody get me an oxygen tank...lol) The very last dealer was the farthest away from me, and a NEW dealer at that, treated me like they were concerned and cared, so i ordered the kit from them.... about a week to get it. (said they`d call when it came in)

Being that the new dealer treated me really decent, i decided i wanted to spend my money with them, instead of going back to the dealer that was 10 miles from me, because they just laughed at me and offered NO help AT ALL with my problem what so ever. They didnt even ask me if they could order this kit for me either. I am so sick of the ego`s and attitudes with these harley dealers.... they think you OWE them your wallet before you even get to the dam counter with it, and THEN you have to beg to be waited on... then they get this snotty attitude like your`re bothering them. Every HD dealership i`ve been in (with the exception of this other new dealer today) just seem to have this azzhole attitude... What is up with these idiots... they dont wanna wait on you, AND they sure as hell cant fix nothin. (dont get me goin on THAT issue....lol)

Well i guess if i have to drive outta town to get treated decent, i guess its worth the drive huh..? After 5 brand new harleys, (all were bigtwin models... so i spent the big dollars each time) i`ll be spending my money elsewhere from now on.

As soon as this kit comes in, i`ll give ya all a shout on here an let you know how the job turned out.
Thankyou again guyz, (ALL of you) for your huge amount of help and knowledge... i am forever greatful.

(larry)