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Old 12-13-2012, 05:50 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Update The engine is in and bike is running working on some minor details and Tuning working with some maps as theres not much out there to work with with the B-2 Heads 70mm Thog and Yellow Band injectors .

Sounds good but the worst time of year to build a bike in Michigan as winter is here dont mine the cold but the salt on the roads isnt gonna work.

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Old 12-13-2012, 07:10 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I'd like to check that bike out when you get it done! Do you hit any bike nights?
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Old 12-13-2012, 10:21 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Out of Midland we hit Castoways every Tuesday, and we go to alot of events around the state iam sure we will meet up, Think this ones gonna go down to Ray C's for some Dyno time in the next couple of weeks.

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Old 12-13-2012, 11:03 AM   #64 (permalink)
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A few points guys
No we don't sell this engine UN-assembled, assembled only. but you can order all the parts separately if you choose.

We will weld flywheels but it is not recommended. We have found through our proprietary manufacturing process and testing our wheels are far superior to other wheels on the market. "WELDING IS NOT RECOMMENDED" 8 out of 12 S&S teams achieved world records at Bonneville last season, I think we know what we are doing with flywheels!

Keep your eyes on this engine and head options. Thats all I can say
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:00 PM   #65 (permalink)
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"WELDING IS NOT RECOMMENDED" 8 out of 12 S&S teams achieved world records at Bonneville last season, I think we know what we are doing with flywheels!
No doubt-
My 126" S&S Street motor has been running hard for over 5 years now with a NON welded flywheel-NO ISSUES.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:35 AM   #66 (permalink)
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A few points guys
No we don't sell this engine UN-assembled, assembled only. but you can order all the parts separately if you choose.

We will weld flywheels but it is not recommended. We have found through our proprietary manufacturing process and testing our wheels are far superior to other wheels on the market. "WELDING IS NOT RECOMMENDED" 8 out of 12 S&S teams achieved world records at Bonneville last season, I think we know what we are doing with flywheels!

Keep your eyes on this engine and head options. Thats all I can say
I think one thing that needs clarity with this setup is the oil pump i think its not ness a big deal but still it can be misleading and thats even thou Star "Great People" have listed S&S oil pump people should know this engine or at least mine was shipped without but instead a SE pump i love my S&S powered bikes this being my 4th but to look at the engine and see that HD Cam Cover makes for a misleading of sorts honeslty firing the bike and seeing 35psi of oil pressure cold when across the same shop is a 120RX that carrys 70 psi cold it can just cause concerns , we all know oil pressure is not critical to have to see the high numbers but its a principal issue more than anything .

In the world of big horsepower the engine appears to look like a Hot setup with B-2 heads and perhaps the sleeper look is the better way however and no disrepect but if i ask for a apple i dont want a orange When i called Viola it was all explained by a very friendly Tech like always and again i just think everyone who buys these should know what truley is inside those 120 cases.

And last has the plant ran any of these with the B-2 70 mm Thog and if so is there any map dowloads that best suite this engine, Stars other 124 like mine had the 66 and perhaps it doesnt make enough diff on tuning but would be nice to know if there is something out there or if it is all adding in your parts to the Master Tune and get it as close as poss?

The whole reason i did this and most will think iam nuts stuipd or both but last year i got kicked into a outlaw class on a shoot out with my 126 and was forced to run against a Watercooled metric because i didnt have HD cases it cost me 500 bucks because my 126's rubber band couldnt wrap as tight has the metric to me S&S is as if not more American than HD and it pissed me off enough to buy another RG donar and do this build. My other RG with the 120RX won its class because of the cases but i left feeling frustrated and mad this engine is all about redemption.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:53 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:48 AM   #68 (permalink)
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A few points guys
No we don't sell this engine UN-assembled, assembled only. but you can order all the parts separately if you choose.

We will weld flywheels but it is not recommended. We have found through our proprietary manufacturing process and testing our wheels are far superior to other wheels on the market. "WELDING IS NOT RECOMMENDED" 8 out of 12 S&S teams achieved world records at Bonneville last season, I think we know what we are doing with flywheels!

Keep your eyes on this engine and head options. Thats all I can say

S&S, when you say "not recommended", is that because it is in anyway detrimental to the integrity of the flywheel assy. or just that it is simply not needed?
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:04 PM   #69 (permalink)
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I think one thing that needs clarity with this setup is the oil pump i think its not ness a big deal but still it can be misleading and thats even thou Star "Great People" have listed S&S oil pump people should know this engine or at least mine was shipped without but instead a SE pump i love my S&S powered bikes this being my 4th but to look at the engine and see that HD Cam Cover makes for a misleading of sorts honeslty firing the bike and seeing 35psi of oil pressure cold when across the same shop is a 120RX that carrys 70 psi cold it can just cause concerns , we all know oil pressure is not critical to have to see the high numbers but its a principal issue more than anything .

In the world of big horsepower the engine appears to look like a Hot setup with B-2 heads and perhaps the sleeper look is the better way however and no disrepect but if i ask for a apple i dont want a orange When i called Viola it was all explained by a very friendly Tech like always and again i just think everyone who buys these should know what truley is inside those 120 cases.

And last has the plant ran any of these with the B-2 70 mm Thog and if so is there any map dowloads that best suite this engine, Stars other 124 like mine had the 66 and perhaps it doesnt make enough diff on tuning but would be nice to know if there is something out there or if it is all adding in your parts to the Master Tune and get it as close as poss?

The whole reason i did this and most will think iam nuts stuipd or both but last year i got kicked into a outlaw class on a shoot out with my 126 and was forced to run against a Watercooled metric because i didnt have HD cases it cost me 500 bucks because my 126's rubber band couldnt wrap as tight has the metric to me S&S is as if not more American than HD and it pissed me off enough to buy another RG donar and do this build. My other RG with the 120RX won its class because of the cases but i left feeling frustrated and mad this engine is all about redemption.
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OK, I'll bite here. If you don't have enough education behind you to write your responses in simple grammatically correct English, avoiding run-on sentences and using periods, commas and proper punctuation, and correct spelling despite the many spell checks available, and despite the availability of archaic things called "dictionaries" available in every home, your opinions are highly suspect in my book.


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Old 12-14-2012, 09:30 PM   #70 (permalink)
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OK, I'll bite here. If you don't have enough education behind you to write your responses in simple grammatically correct English, avoiding run-on sentences and using periods, commas and proper punctuation, and correct spelling despite the many spell checks available, and despite the availability of archaic things called "dictionaries" available in every home, your opinions are highly suspect in my book.


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This is a bike forum, not an English class... He bought a S&S engine and it came with a Harley oil pump, who cares if he spelled a few words wrong or missed a comma or two.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:39 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Well, I do. It's hard to have an intelligent conversation with someone who wants to discuss high level engine theory but doesn't have enough education to do so. Oh, I forget myself. You live in Canada. Your mileage may vary. YOU may want to contribute to the "dumbing down of America" but since you don't live in my country I would hope we hold to a higher standard. And yeah, I'm the guy who works to see that American kids have a good education.

I think its possible to have a good discussion here, without "dumbing down the standards" so much, and that we should not appear to be uneducated idiots. God forbid, someone should uphold a higher standard.

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Old 12-14-2012, 11:22 PM   #72 (permalink)
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I agree, but not everyone has the writing skills or knowledge. Doesn't mean they are stupid and dont know about engines or bikes.

My pops can barely spell some basic words, but he can tear a car to pieces and completely restore it from the ground up. He is also one hell of an Electrician... Just because an English teacher can't change his own oil doesn't mean hes an idiot either..

Just cause the guy didn't write the perfect sentence doesn't equate to a lesser knowledge of mechanics and bikes.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:17 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Well, I do. It's hard to have an intelligent conversation with someone who wants to discuss high level engine theory but doesn't have enough education to do so. Oh, I forget myself. You live in Canada. Your mileage may vary. YOU may want to contribute to the "dumbing down of America" but since you don't live in my country I would hope we hold to a higher standard. And yeah, I'm the guy who works to see that American kids have a good education.

I think its possible to have a good discussion here, without "dumbing down the standards" so much, and that we should not appear to be uneducated idiots. God forbid, someone should uphold a higher standard.

Your mileage may vary,

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Theres a place in every fourm were you can choose not to read and my bad english is one. Iam sorry when HD stock rose it was because of Tshirt riders and weekend riders will have to excuse my being a IDIOT.

I really dont care if you think my opinion is suspect, i didnt nibble on the barrel i have no clue now at this point how many of the new 124's S&S has sold at the time i talked to the tech in Viola there wasnt many in fact he had to call down to Lacrosse to see why the engine didnt have a S&S pump he called back and explained . This is a forum a place to learn and share ill just glob everything together so everyone can read from now on .

When the 120R debuted i bit and honeslty i know theres more guys on this site that have scratch built more than a 123-128 hp out of a 5500 dollar build which is the cost of that engine minus all the externals you need add another 2800 for the Rx kit or Tman set up and your at about 9500 dollars US turn key and dyno'ed Hp net with RX set up 149 Rwhp

S&S comes out with a engine to counter this with a head option at the factory to exceed with bolt ons minus exhust 10,500 stated by Stars one install and run to have hit close to 170 Rwhp with the 66mm . I have no reason to doubt Derek or Stars rep, and iam just a stupid ole biker who cant use english but one thing i do know is ill give you this lastest RG with the keys if you can tell me were i can find 21honest hp from a 1,000 dollar bill.

BTW thanks for the welcome i suppose if i wasnt doing this post on a old Pos Flip phone i might take a min to worry about what you want but i would rather just be honest and put it out there what is aval as many guys do here.

I find TV , and most people suspect as well i mean come on our dearly beloved Jesse James tells the world of bikers hes using a proto type 120r engine in a cake contest myself and many others have well over 3-5k miles on 120Rs that hardley makes them proto type but i guess i knew what he meant.

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Old 12-15-2012, 04:42 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Where do you race?
For fear of my spelling being nailed to the cross , Edmore, Martin, and Ubley Speedway in Oct we were at Edmore "Mid Mich Motorplex" now when Bert Baker was testing his Clutchless new set up for the bike hes building for this year.

I own Thunder Roads Magazine of Michigan i know that will blow our Cowboy friend away from the north sometimes after doing hours of editing i just feel like just typing out how i want to this has pissed off our Educated Friend from the north.

So to answer your questions we are covering on average 20-40 events per summer plus all the winter swap meets we bought the magazine from Joe and Pam Brinn good friends of ours and now have Jody Mohowitsch running it so i can run my main buss a Automotive repair shop in Midland i know that will be hard for our Cowboy friend to belive since i cant spell let alone wrench on Cars and trucks for 31 yrs scary Chit huh...
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