Power Star Spark Plugs

[BOUTYM]

Originally Posted by gb1500

dont know if its worth 3 horses at 18 a pop

Especially since it is proven that that you can get more HP/dollar from LED lighting under the tank.

[CowboyTutt]

Ha! Your such a kidder! I was thinking of putting blue LED's on top of the spark itself! LOL -Tutt

[pattisteve1]

hi all, the name is steve . thank you tutt for you participation in all this. i guess it is time for me to say a couple of things just so we all know what is going on here. i'll start at the first.
i was watching speed channel on tv one day about three years ago. i saw a little interview with the guy [scott applebaum] from powerstar. up until that time i hadn't given two thoughts about plugs. i have used champion since i was a kid . out of curiosity i decided to look up the powerstar website. i read their stuff there and saw the moneyback guarantee and thought " what the heck, i won't know if i don't try them. so i got a set and put them in. immediately i noticed a difference in performance. nothing earth shattering, but still i felt better throttle response and a smoother power band, etc. i ran them for a year and found my mileage had increased by an honest 5 mpg. i liked the plugs. so i started telling my friends that ride.i have been riding more than forty years so i have a number of great friends i ride with. even with me up on a soapbox telling my friends about the mileage and better power i noticed they still wouldn't put them in and give them a try.it is hard to break old habits. so i started buying a few extra sets and giving them to certain of my friends. everyone i know that put them in liked them for the same reasons as me. so i became a dealer just so i could get a discount for my friends. i am retired and am not looking for a spark plug buisiness .
then last year about this time my wife and i were riding and a deer ran into us and it broke my leg. while i was laid up is when i started blogging. i belong to a blog at speedtalk.com i was blogging on a thread about welding up hemi firing chambers and dropping the firing chamber roof, relocating the valves and such.[that is another great subject. i am doing my panhead and my friend has his shovelhead almost done. flatop pistons and a bathtub like firing chamber roof] on that blog i mentioned the powerstar plugs and man here came the naysayers. one of them ,named karl, has a shop in california with some kind of dyno that he offered to do some tests on the plugs. we wanted to do some part throttle testing since that is where we feel the advantage is more than open throttle stuff. we agreed to do the test and i offered to take my bike to his shop and we would test on it. i had told him i was a dealer and the reason why [to buy plugs for my friends] then he just dropped out of site and stopped answering the blog. [i just found out this morning why- his wife had come down with pnuemonia and nearly died. she was in the hospital for a month. he told me he is now retiring and won't be able to proceed with any testing.
while waiting for karl to respond i had the chance to put my own bike on the dyno at yellowstone harley in mt. they have a guy on the dyno there that is real good and they have a great reputation. that was the first dyno chart i posted. my bike is 2003 open loop fuel injection and was mapped way lean. no extra ful there to burn. the next one we did was a friend of mine's 2001 carburated duece. it was running on the rich side. the guys with rich running bikes were having the best improvements i thought. that was the secnd one i posted. the third one i from a 2oo1 fuel injected model. it showed a nice gain all the way through. then i had my bike remapped and tested again with close to the same results as the first time. that is probably the last of my plug tests.
all along it was my intent to share my good experience with the plugs with those that would be inclined. i have stated all along that the easiest thing to do is get a set and put them in your bike and try them. if you don't like them return them for a refund. what could be any easier than that. if you look around on the powerstar website they have plenty of dyno charts to look at from cars and bikes. they of course have thousands of hours of their own dyno testing. the reason i did my own test with no company involvement is because i knew no one would believe the companies findings. tutt, don't be mad at powerstar because i asked them not to participate . i wanted tests free of company predudices. by the way i would and did post them even if theywould have shown a loss of performance.
i guess that is about it.
oh i forgot- they have tested the plugs for all the newer types of fuel injection. they have to be certain of what they are doing because they stand liable if they happened to get it wrong. from my dealing with powerstar i have found them to be very accesible and helpful people. especially scott applebaum, the president. i have found everytime i had a question i could call and talk to scott. i suggest you do the same if you have a question or if i can help in any way please ask.
thanks all, i have enjoyed all this discussion ,even the slamming i took at first.
happy trails steve moore

[lucille]

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[gtnot]

Originally Posted by pattisteve1

happy trails steve moore

Wow, two of us with the same name on this lil ol' forum!

What are the odds?

[vindex1963]

Originally Posted by pattisteve1

hi all, the name is steve . thank you tutt for you participation in all this. i guess it is time for me to say a couple of things just so we all know what is going on here. i'll start at the first.
i was watching speed channel on tv one day about three years ago. i saw a little interview with the guy [scott applebaum] from powerstar. up until that time i hadn't given two thoughts about plugs. i have used champion since i was a kid . out of curiosity i decided to look up the powerstar website. i read their stuff there and saw the moneyback guarantee and thought " what the heck, i won't know if i don't try them. so i got a set and put them in. immediately i noticed a difference in performance. nothing earth shattering, but still i felt better throttle response and a smoother power band, etc. i ran them for a year and found my mileage had increased by an honest 5 mpg. i liked the plugs. so i started telling my friends that ride.i have been riding more than forty years so i have a number of great friends i ride with. even with me up on a soapbox telling my friends about the mileage and better power i noticed they still wouldn't put them in and give them a try.it is hard to break old habits. so i started buying a few extra sets and giving them to certain of my friends. everyone i know that put them in liked them for the same reasons as me. so i became a dealer just so i could get a discount for my friends. i am retired and am not looking for a spark plug buisiness .
then last year about this time my wife and i were riding and a deer ran into us and it broke my leg. while i was laid up is when i started blogging. i belong to a blog at speedtalk.com i was blogging on a thread about welding up hemi firing chambers and dropping the firing chamber roof, relocating the valves and such.[that is another great subject. i am doing my panhead and my friend has his shovelhead almost done. flatop pistons and a bathtub like firing chamber roof] on that blog i mentioned the powerstar plugs and man here came the naysayers. one of them ,named karl, has a shop in california with some kind of dyno that he offered to do some tests on the plugs. we wanted to do some part throttle testing since that is where we feel the advantage is more than open throttle stuff. we agreed to do the test and i offered to take my bike to his shop and we would test on it. i had told him i was a dealer and the reason why [to buy plugs for my friends] then he just dropped out of site and stopped answering the blog. [i just found out this morning why- his wife had come down with pnuemonia and nearly died. she was in the hospital for a month. he told me he is now retiring and won't be able to proceed with any testing.
while waiting for karl to respond i had the chance to put my own bike on the dyno at yellowstone harley in mt. they have a guy on the dyno there that is real good and they have a great reputation. that was the first dyno chart i posted. my bike is 2003 open loop fuel injection and was mapped way lean. no extra ful there to burn. the next one we did was a friend of mine's 2001 carburated duece. it was running on the rich side. the guys with rich running bikes were having the best improvements i thought. that was the secnd one i posted. the third one i from a 2oo1 fuel injected model. it showed a nice gain all the way through. then i had my bike remapped and tested again with close to the same results as the first time. that is probably the last of my plug tests.
all along it was my intent to share my good experience with the plugs with those that would be inclined. i have stated all along that the easiest thing to do is get a set and put them in your bike and try them. if you don't like them return them for a refund. what could be any easier than that. if you look around on the powerstar website they have plenty of dyno charts to look at from cars and bikes. they of course have thousands of hours of their own dyno testing. the reason i did my own test with no company involvement is because i knew no one would believe the companies findings. tutt, don't be mad at powerstar because i asked them not to participate . i wanted tests free of company predudices. by the way i would and did post them even if theywould have shown a loss of performance.
i guess that is about it.
oh i forgot- they have tested the plugs for all the newer types of fuel injection. they have to be certain of what they are doing because they stand liable if they happened to get it wrong. from my dealing with powerstar i have found them to be very accesible and helpful people. especially scott applebaum, the president. i have found everytime i had a question i could call and talk to scott. i suggest you do the same if you have a question or if i can help in any way please ask.
thanks all, i have enjoyed all this discussion ,even the slamming i took at first.
happy trails steve moore

That looks like onelongsentence. Couldn't make it past the second line.

[pattisteve1]

ihavebeenaccusedofbeingalittlelongwinded.happytrai ls

[CowboyTutt]

Very funny Steve! Thanks for clarifying Powerstars lack of involvement. And I do appreciate all the research you have done on the subject. I've had first hand reports from our dealer mechanic here who is actually a pretty sharp guy and he has seen different spark plugs throw codes on new bikes, usually some irridium plug. I think the best spark plug is a clean one myself. The difference I experience with fresh plugs, or at least a cleaned one is profound on throttle response. I appreciate your enthuisiasm for the Powerstar product and it does sound like it works for some people. But I just don't see the need to change what is already working well for me, and many others too. But thanks for what you have done on the subject.

-Tutt

[pattisteve1]

happy holidays all! steve eat too much today [especially pie]

[dog155]

Reading all the concerns so many of you have gotta wonder if a lot of it is from past experience with other products or from coffee shop gossip.Over the years have tried most everything from plugs to oil additives,racing fuel,to miracle fuel atomizers,bearing in mind every little bit helps.
The E3's worked great in the 124" Evo and everyday cage,no doubt will give these new plugs a shot.At least when I have done my seat of the pants will be 100%sure where the bears s$its in the buckwheat,heck we need two of these sparky's,not a big price to pay.
Will be looking for Springers test results, also no big hurry winter is just about ready to rain on our parade.
Dog

[pattisteve1]

howdy dog155,[ i think i got that right]. you must like going REALLY fast by the looks of those cubic inches.far out. you have the right idea, the thing to do is try some and if you don't like them get your money back. so easy.

[dog155]

Certainly nothing wrong with trying anything new just don't let the nose rubbing get you down.

Over the years have tried a few of the "Hollywood Romance" latest and greatest now with all this real world experience and the forums will be leaning on the curious and can't wait types like I used to be.
Those Dyno pulls pretty much put this one to bed.