2010 SE Race Tuner Kit?

[BennieB]

Hi all,

I Just bought a '10 Street Glide, and looking through the H-D catalog (SE section), I did not see the SE Race Tuner Kit. Does this no longer exist for '10 models? I had the tuner kit on my '05 and '06 H-Ds but what happened to the kit? Is it no longer necessary b/c of the cats on the header pipe?

I'm adding a 103" stage II BB kit, and want to make sure my dealer does not charge me more than necessary. I imagine the bike will need at minimum an ECU flash, which used to cost about $149.00...

Any advise/suggestions appreciated.

Tks a lot,
BB

[lonewolf55]

If it was me I would go with the TTS. IMHO the SE Race Tuner is a poor copy.

[strokerjlk]

SERT is no longer a H-D option.
they have a screaming eagle super tuner now (SEST).
SERT and SEST are not from the same manufactor.
the TTS Mastertune is actually a copy of the SERT not the other way around.
the same man that made the sert is now making the TTS.
the TTS is the same as the SERT only with a lot more options.
this makes it superior to the SERT in my opinion.

[arealinvestor]

Originally Posted by BennieB

Hi all,

I Just bought a '10 Street Glide, and looking through the H-D catalog (SE section), I did not see the SE Race Tuner Kit. Does this no longer exist for '10 models? I had the tuner kit on my '05 and '06 H-Ds but what happened to the kit? Is it no longer necessary b/c of the cats on the header pipe?

I'm adding a 103" stage II BB kit, and want to make sure my dealer does not charge me more than necessary. I imagine the bike will need at minimum an ECU flash, which used to cost about $149.00...

Any advise/suggestions appreciated.

Tks a lot,
BB

The TTS is the best option!!!Not to change subject,but did you get a good deal on the street glide???

['05Train]

Originally Posted by strokerjlk

SERT is no longer a H-D option.
they have a screaming eagle super tuner now (SEST).
SERT and SEST are not from the same manufactor.
the TTS Mastertune is actually a copy of the SERT not the other way around.
the same man that made the sert is now making the TTS.
the TTS is the same as the SERT only with a lot more options.
this makes it superior to the SERT in my opinion.

What he said.

And also the 2010 touring bikes are using Lambda based fuel tables rather than AFR tables.

[BennieB]

Tks for the responses Gents.

Craig: I paid MSRP; No freight or set up fees. My dealership also threw in a SE 2>1 slip on exhaust pipe at no charge. I'm a big fan of the 2>1. I like the SE versions b/c they are not too loud. I'm done w/loud pipes. I noticed hearing loss... They also gave me a nice discount on accessories. I'll post on the Touring section soon...

05Train: Could u pls explain the diff btw Lambda & AFR tables?

Strokjlk: Tks for the run down...

Best,

BB

[rkadair]

http://www.hdforums.com.au/Default.a...379&view=topic

[HDMD88]

Lambda is just another way of reading AFR. Stoichiometric for straight gas has a value of 14.68 AFR, Stoich for E10 fuel has a value of 14.27 AFR, Alcohol has a Stoichiometric value of 6.1 AFR, ect. The Stoichiometric value for all fuels are rated as 1.00 in a Lambda based system….ie. the lambda value for an AFR of 14.68 (which is stoich for gas) is rated at 1.00, for E10 Fuel lambda 1.00 equals a 14.27 AFR, and for Alcohol AFR of 6.1 lambda again rates that as 1.00…..so Stoich for all these fuels are rated as 1.00 in lambda.
So if 1.00 is stoichiometric any lambda value lower than 1.00 is recognized as a richer mixture and any value higher than 1.00 is recognized as leaner…for an example; a lambda value of .981 would be the same as 14.2:1 AFR, a lambda value of .921 would equal 13.5:1 AFR, and a lambda value of 1.025 would equal an AFR of 15.05:1. Again it’s just another way of rating AFR values that the Auto industry has been using for many years already.
One of the positive things about the lambda system is we have a much better control of the fuel delivery throughout the fuel table. The Lambda system also eliminates the Closed Loop Bias fuel trim table because we can enter different lambda values from leaner to richer from the left side of the fuel table to the right side of the fuel table…ie. We can trim the closed loop area with the lambda fuel values….each cell can be made different or made all the same….we have a lot more control of the fuel delivery.
Another positive factor with this system is the auto industry is working on a sensor that can determine what kind of fuel you put in your gas tank…is it E10 or E85 or the good gas. This sensor will sit in the gas tank and read the Ethanol content then report that to the ECM. If the ECM knows what fuel it has and all fuel values are the same in the lambda system then the injectors can stay open longer or close sooner to deliver the correct volume of fuel need to meet your request on the fuel table. Now the auto industry yhas been working on this for a while now and the results are not encouraging to say the least but hopefully they will break through soon and the lambda system will truly be a great thing. As of now, when you tune, you have to know what fuel you have in the bike which is almost impossible unless you poured it in your self.
Does this make it harder to tune…..NO, it’s just going to be rough to get our heads wrapped around the fact that AFR is now measured differently than we are used to seeing it .TTS has made a Lambda to AFR to Stoichiometric calculator in the tool bar of the MasterTune software for our convienince….this will help the learning curve not to hurt our brains too much.
I read on another forum that some one said it takes a lambda 02 sensor to read the lambda values…..gentlemen the 02 sensors you have been using from day one are a lambda sensors whether is a wide band, narrow band or a narrow band switching device….they are all lambda sensors in our industry.
One other positive to the Lambda system, the VE tables are no longer using Throttle Position and RPM for tuning. The Lambda VE tables are measured in kPa and RPM. This will help greatly for those who tune at higher altitudes and be more accurate in converting to a fuel table in the same kPa, RPM break points. If you look at a 009 level calibration from TTS you will find the VE tables are smaller and the Fuel and Timing tables are much larger for a more precise tune.
Doc

['05Train]

Thanks Doc.

[BennieB]

Great explanation!

Tks a lot!

BB

[claydbal]

Originally Posted by HDMD88

you have to know what fuel you have in the bike which is almost impossible unless you poured it in your self.
more precise tune.
Doc

doc, after you pour the fuel in yourself, and get a great tune, what happens when the customer fills up with E15?

as you said, the fuel interpreter is not quite ready for prime time. i know we experience this today, with tuning and E10, but sounds like we will constamtly get leaner as fuel does. so are we to expect repeat tunes as maintenance untill this amazing newfangled fuel analyzer is proven and is provided to us as OEM equipment?

what a great time for the smog police to start sniffinf tail pipes, huh?

IMHO, this sounds like yet another way for HD to control aftermarket modifications, until we get to the point of riding gold wing clones.

[HDMD88]

Originally Posted by claydbal

doc, after you pour the fuel in yourself, and get a great tune, what happens when the customer fills up with E15?

as you said, the fuel interpreter is not quite ready for prime time. i know we experience this today, with tuning and E10, but sounds like we will constamtly get leaner as fuel does. so are we to expect repeat tunes as maintenance untill this amazing newfangled fuel analyzer is proven and is provided to us as OEM equipment?

what a great time for the smog police to start sniffinf tail pipes, huh?

IMHO, this sounds like yet another way for HD to control aftermarket modifications, until we get to the point of riding gold wing clones.

Dennis
What I have been doing is tuning in the middle....ie....if gas is 14.68 stoich and E10 is 14.27 stoich, I tune for 14.40 as stoich. This way if I get good gas I will be slightly rich and if I get E10 I will be slightly lean....either way .20 afr isn't going to hurt the performance or damage the build.
Doc

[claydbal]

thanks doc. is the afr the only concern, or is there timing issues from volatility of ethanol also?

[HDMD88]

Originally Posted by claydbal

thanks doc. is the afr the only concern, or is there timing issues from volatility of ethanol also?

Timing is effected by every thing you know that....